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Having to live somewhere where you hate the culture, politics, climate, geography is soul killing. The Midwest is cheap because it doesn't offer the benefits th

Having to live somewhere where you hate the culture, politics, climate, geography is soul killing. The Midwest is cheap because it doesn't offer the benefits the expensive places do. Most people are here because they were born here. I never met anyone who chose to move here for any reason other than economic or family obligation. They convince themselves its great for a time because their dollar goes a lot farther, but the reality sets in soon enough. People from amazing places don't dream of a grey/beige house in a suburb in Kansas, or having to drive hours into some Iowan "town" to get to even something terrible like strip malls and big box stores, they don't have post cards of these places on their walls and don't visit them on holiday. You can usually find a place that's cheaper than where you are, but it's cheaper for a reason.

squish78 7y ago
It might be inconceivable to the HN demographic but some people truly enjoy the small town/ rural lifestyle
- hestipod 7y ago
  There is small town rural life within an hour of any big coastal city. You don't have to move to the homogeneous middle of the country for that. Suggesting people move from a popular place to middle America for a good quality of life is disingenuous in my view because its predicated entirely on the fact that it's "cheaper". Their lives aren't going to be "richer"...only their bank account for a time, but even that will fade as salary and opportunity are less as well. Yes some people enjoy being surrounded only by their race, religion, and politics so that outweighs the losses of accessibility, culture, and experience...and frankly most of the ones who have never experienced anything else don't even know what they are missing...getting away from that gave me the only good parts of my life personally. Once again...people don't put photos or postcards of Topeka or Little Rock or some town nobody knows of in the vast sameness of the Midwest on their dream walls. There is a reason for that.
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  - selimthegrim 7y ago
    I believe Branson, MO, Memphis and Nashville, TN, and Fayetteville, AR would like a word with you.
  - mjparrott 7y ago
    There are nice places to live that aren't on a postcard
  - 420codebro 7y ago
    Your opinion stinks like a smelly asshole. By your logic anything more than 100 miles inland is shit. Thank god people like you are mocked mercilessly when out of earshot.
  - squish78 7y ago
    My life is incredibly rich, but I measure it more by my physical/mental health, my community, and time I get to spend with my family
- wyclif 7y ago
  Hey, I'm one of those people. I grew up in a small town in Pennsylvania that was rural until very recently, but it's still only about 20 minutes' drive west of Philadelphia. So it had the charm of rural life (at least when I was growing up–it's become a bit gentrified since then) and if you wanted to get your shot of urban culture it wasn't that far away. The real trick nowadays is finding the "middle" small town America: places that have good infrastructure, public transportation, universities, libraries, public works, etc but aren't urban. Of course, it helps a lot if you don't have to commute, or you only have to commute to the office a few days out of the week.
  - squish78 7y ago
    That sounds nice. I'm convinced a mid-size college town has the best of both worlds
kbutler 7y ago
As a counterpoint, my reaction to big cities has generally been "Nice place to visit, but I sure wouldn't want to live there". And my vacation photos are way more likely to be landscapes than cityscapes. I do like the ocean, though!
- hestipod 7y ago
  Are your landscape photos of endless flatness, strip malls, and pavement? Or are they beautiful mountains, forests, seasides? I am not saying liking rural places is "wrong". I am saying you give up a LOT to live in the "cheap" middle because it's the same everywhere you look in nearly all regards and is far from anything "different" in about every use of the word, including those beautiful landscapes.
  - thatfrenchguy 7y ago
    That’s a very US centric view though. If you live in France in a lot of middle-size cities, it’s both cheap and cute. And don’t pretend like California is void of strip mall either, most of the Bay Area is boring-as-fuck strip malls and single family houses.
  - CDSlice 7y ago
    I don't know, as someone who's visited Kansas I honestly think that it's some of the most beautiful country in the US. You can see pretty much everything for miles around. But to each their own I guess. :)
  - kbutler 7y ago
    Sounds like you have a lot of hostility for "the culture, politics, climate, geography" but I'm not sure you've ever actually been to these places you detest so much. Maybe try getting out and meeting and talking to people that don't think or live the same way you do? Let's see what the internet can show us: Kansas: Monument Rocks - totally postcard worthy. https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-visit-in-kansas/ https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-vis... And the Cheyenne Bottoms, largest wetland in mainland US? Even beats Florida & Everglades, wow. And Geary Lake Falls are very nice https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-visit-in-kansas/9/ https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-vis... And the lavender farms of Topeka https://maps.roadtrippers.com/us/topeka-ks/nature/ingwerson-farms https://maps.roadtrippers.com/us/topeka-ks/nature/ingwerson-... OK, I've got things I'd like to see in Kansas. Little Rock: https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.inarkansas.com/10757/fall-in-the-mountains.jpg https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.inarkansas.com/10757/fall-in... that's lovely, and a candidate for a monitor background. (from http://www.metrolittlerockguide.com/post/21127/little-rock-picture-book-ready-for-christmas-giving http://www.metrolittlerockguide.com/post/21127/little-rock-p...) Endless strip malls and pavement are much more prevalent in and around big cities - and you have lots of traffic to ensure you have plenty of time to enjoy them. And for what it's worth, Florida beats Kansas for flatness by a long shot (and for strip malls and pavement, too, come to think of it). "the vast sameness of the Midwest"... Just because you haven't heard of landmarks and variation in a place, doesn't mean it isn't there. Many people think of Africa as mostly flat - maybe because we largely see flat maps, and we hear of Kilimanjaro in Africa, see pictures of savannas, and know of the Sahara, and tend to think that's all there is, but there is so much variation.
cgy1 7y ago
I mean besides issues like climate or geography I think cities like Chicago, Minneapolis or even college towns like Madison or Ann Arbor certainly offer a lot more than "a grey/beige house in a suburb" or "strip malls and big box stores." This is from someone who's lived in these places in the midwest as well as in San Francisco.

squish78 7y ago

It might be inconceivable to the HN demographic but some people truly enjoy the small town/ rural lifestyle

hestipod 7y ago
There is small town rural life within an hour of any big coastal city. You don't have to move to the homogeneous middle of the country for that. Suggesting people move from a popular place to middle America for a good quality of life is disingenuous in my view because its predicated entirely on the fact that it's "cheaper". Their lives aren't going to be "richer"...only their bank account for a time, but even that will fade as salary and opportunity are less as well. Yes some people enjoy being surrounded only by their race, religion, and politics so that outweighs the losses of accessibility, culture, and experience...and frankly most of the ones who have never experienced anything else don't even know what they are missing...getting away from that gave me the only good parts of my life personally. Once again...people don't put photos or postcards of Topeka or Little Rock or some town nobody knows of in the vast sameness of the Midwest on their dream walls. There is a reason for that.
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- selimthegrim 7y ago
  I believe Branson, MO, Memphis and Nashville, TN, and Fayetteville, AR would like a word with you.
- mjparrott 7y ago
  There are nice places to live that aren't on a postcard
- 420codebro 7y ago
  Your opinion stinks like a smelly asshole. By your logic anything more than 100 miles inland is shit. Thank god people like you are mocked mercilessly when out of earshot.
- squish78 7y ago
  My life is incredibly rich, but I measure it more by my physical/mental health, my community, and time I get to spend with my family
wyclif 7y ago
Hey, I'm one of those people. I grew up in a small town in Pennsylvania that was rural until very recently, but it's still only about 20 minutes' drive west of Philadelphia. So it had the charm of rural life (at least when I was growing up–it's become a bit gentrified since then) and if you wanted to get your shot of urban culture it wasn't that far away. The real trick nowadays is finding the "middle" small town America: places that have good infrastructure, public transportation, universities, libraries, public works, etc but aren't urban. Of course, it helps a lot if you don't have to commute, or you only have to commute to the office a few days out of the week.
- squish78 7y ago
  That sounds nice. I'm convinced a mid-size college town has the best of both worlds

kbutler 7y ago

As a counterpoint, my reaction to big cities has generally been "Nice place to visit, but I sure wouldn't want to live there". And my vacation photos are way more likely to be landscapes than cityscapes. I do like the ocean, though!

hestipod 7y ago
Are your landscape photos of endless flatness, strip malls, and pavement? Or are they beautiful mountains, forests, seasides? I am not saying liking rural places is "wrong". I am saying you give up a LOT to live in the "cheap" middle because it's the same everywhere you look in nearly all regards and is far from anything "different" in about every use of the word, including those beautiful landscapes.
- thatfrenchguy 7y ago
  That’s a very US centric view though. If you live in France in a lot of middle-size cities, it’s both cheap and cute. And don’t pretend like California is void of strip mall either, most of the Bay Area is boring-as-fuck strip malls and single family houses.
- CDSlice 7y ago
  I don't know, as someone who's visited Kansas I honestly think that it's some of the most beautiful country in the US. You can see pretty much everything for miles around. But to each their own I guess. :)
- kbutler 7y ago
  Sounds like you have a lot of hostility for "the culture, politics, climate, geography" but I'm not sure you've ever actually been to these places you detest so much. Maybe try getting out and meeting and talking to people that don't think or live the same way you do? Let's see what the internet can show us: Kansas: Monument Rocks - totally postcard worthy. https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-visit-in-kansas/ https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-vis... And the Cheyenne Bottoms, largest wetland in mainland US? Even beats Florida & Everglades, wow. And Geary Lake Falls are very nice https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-visit-in-kansas/9/ https://www.thecrazytourist.com/most-beautiful-places-to-vis... And the lavender farms of Topeka https://maps.roadtrippers.com/us/topeka-ks/nature/ingwerson-farms https://maps.roadtrippers.com/us/topeka-ks/nature/ingwerson-... OK, I've got things I'd like to see in Kansas. Little Rock: https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.inarkansas.com/10757/fall-in-the-mountains.jpg https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.inarkansas.com/10757/fall-in... that's lovely, and a candidate for a monitor background. (from http://www.metrolittlerockguide.com/post/21127/little-rock-picture-book-ready-for-christmas-giving http://www.metrolittlerockguide.com/post/21127/little-rock-p...) Endless strip malls and pavement are much more prevalent in and around big cities - and you have lots of traffic to ensure you have plenty of time to enjoy them. And for what it's worth, Florida beats Kansas for flatness by a long shot (and for strip malls and pavement, too, come to think of it). "the vast sameness of the Midwest"... Just because you haven't heard of landmarks and variation in a place, doesn't mean it isn't there. Many people think of Africa as mostly flat - maybe because we largely see flat maps, and we hear of Kilimanjaro in Africa, see pictures of savannas, and know of the Sahara, and tend to think that's all there is, but there is so much variation.

cgy1 7y ago

I mean besides issues like climate or geography I think cities like Chicago, Minneapolis or even college towns like Madison or Ann Arbor certainly offer a lot more than "a grey/beige house in a suburb" or "strip malls and big box stores." This is from someone who's lived in these places in the midwest as well as in San Francisco.