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Disney, Sony and their many tentacles randomly steal from youtubers ALL THE TIME, then are expected to review claims of wrongdoing by themselves on good faith,

by cfv 7y ago

Disney, Sony and their many tentacles randomly steal from youtubers ALL THE TIME, then are expected to review claims of wrongdoing by themselves on good faith, and this is about as "creator friendly" Google will ever get. Those rules suck. It's time to leave for greener pastures.

majewsky 7y ago
YouTube unfortunately is the greenest pasture when measured by audience size. Otherwise people wouldn't be putting up with this shit.
mullen 7y ago
YouTubers are getting flagged by big media companies because YouTubers are using their music or other media without getting a media license. This is not a mystery unknown rule. YouTubers know to not use music they don't have the rights to.
- Karunamon 7y ago
  They are also getting flagged for things that are obviously fair use. The idea that a travel vlogger loses their entire video's monetization because they walked by a restaurant playing music is absurd. The music isn't even a substantial part of the video.
- llacb47 7y ago
  *Fair use may apply
- deleted 7y ago
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- lucaspottersky 7y ago
  false. you clearly don't know what you're talking about, sorry. youtubers are getting strikes for background music, using famous chord progressions, teaching music snippets, mentioning songs etc.
justaguyhere 7y ago
Honest question - when the creators know the bad behavior of Disney/Sony etc, why poke them at all? What is the point of using their music, even if it is used in good faith for just 5 seconds? I've seen a handful of primitive tech guy's videos, they are some of the most enjoyable videos on Youtube. There are very few videos where using someone else's music is a must, most videos are better off without these bad actors' music
- Majromax 7y ago
  Many creators don't want to use music claimed by the big names, but they might not have a choice. For example, footage used in a review (say a clip of a TV show) necessarily comes with any background music. If the TV show is using licensed music in that scene, it then shows up in the Youtube video. Even real-life, vlog-style footage can have unsolicited music. There's also a full spectrum of Content ID claims that are frivolous because of over-matching. Even public-domain footage (especially video) can be claimed. For example, if a news agency uploads its own news report to the Content ID system for matching but that news report contains public-domain material such as a NASA video, that raw video itself can be reported as 'matching' in other uses. Whether this effect is malicious or unintentional is a subject of debate.
  - xster 7y ago
    This sounds like Monsanto seeds being blown in from the neighbour's field and getting sued by Monsanto.
- yarrel 7y ago
  The world is filled with Disney/Sony etc.'s music and if you are recording anything out in the world there's a chance that it will get included in the background.
- mopsi 7y ago
  > Honest question - when the creators know the bad behavior of Disney/Sony etc, why poke them at all? My original video of an art exhibition got taken down because clapping in the video matched some rapper's song that Universal Music owns. What do you recommend me to do to "not poke" Disney/Sony/etc?

by cfv 7y ago

majewsky 7y ago

YouTube unfortunately is the greenest pasture when measured by audience size. Otherwise people wouldn't be putting up with this shit.

mullen 7y ago

YouTubers are getting flagged by big media companies because YouTubers are using their music or other media without getting a media license. This is not a mystery unknown rule. YouTubers know to not use music they don't have the rights to.

Karunamon 7y ago
They are also getting flagged for things that are obviously fair use. The idea that a travel vlogger loses their entire video's monetization because they walked by a restaurant playing music is absurd. The music isn't even a substantial part of the video.
llacb47 7y ago
*Fair use may apply
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
lucaspottersky 7y ago
false. you clearly don't know what you're talking about, sorry. youtubers are getting strikes for background music, using famous chord progressions, teaching music snippets, mentioning songs etc.

justaguyhere 7y ago

Honest question - when the creators know the bad behavior of Disney/Sony etc, why poke them at all? What is the point of using their music, even if it is used in good faith for just 5 seconds? I've seen a handful of primitive tech guy's videos, they are some of the most enjoyable videos on Youtube. There are very few videos where using someone else's music is a must, most videos are better off without these bad actors' music

Majromax 7y ago
Many creators don't want to use music claimed by the big names, but they might not have a choice. For example, footage used in a review (say a clip of a TV show) necessarily comes with any background music. If the TV show is using licensed music in that scene, it then shows up in the Youtube video. Even real-life, vlog-style footage can have unsolicited music. There's also a full spectrum of Content ID claims that are frivolous because of over-matching. Even public-domain footage (especially video) can be claimed. For example, if a news agency uploads its own news report to the Content ID system for matching but that news report contains public-domain material such as a NASA video, that raw video itself can be reported as 'matching' in other uses. Whether this effect is malicious or unintentional is a subject of debate.
- xster 7y ago
  This sounds like Monsanto seeds being blown in from the neighbour's field and getting sued by Monsanto.
yarrel 7y ago
The world is filled with Disney/Sony etc.'s music and if you are recording anything out in the world there's a chance that it will get included in the background.
mopsi 7y ago
> Honest question - when the creators know the bad behavior of Disney/Sony etc, why poke them at all? My original video of an art exhibition got taken down because clapping in the video matched some rapper's song that Universal Music owns. What do you recommend me to do to "not poke" Disney/Sony/etc?