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Really not sure what your point is ethically or otherwise. Are you saying you should not tip? Should you not tip a person for good service? Really hard to fatho

Really not sure what your point is ethically or otherwise. Are you saying you should not tip? Should you not tip a person for good service? Really hard to fathom a reason you need to use the service in the first place. I suppose one could make the argument that if you request/use the service and don’t tip, you are actively participating in perpetuating the crappy business model of crappy businesses and crappy jobs that are setup to be unfavorable situations for the workers while everyone else benefits at the workers expense. That doesn’t sound very ethical because you simply don’t desire to feel some kind of guilt if you don’t tip. How about choosing not to patronize a service and system that is setup to take advantage of said workers? As I mentioned, it is really difficult to fathom a situation you need to use such a service like food delivery or selecting a restaurant with wait staff. Just make other arrangements and don’t patronize those services in the first place. If you do find yourself using such a service, leave a tip (cash if an app) for a good job that says I know you probably get screwed over a lot by the man/system, but I’m more enlightened than others that feel entitled to choose to use the service and not tip. It’s really that simple.

geofft 7y ago
You are conflating two senses of the word "should." Should you throw out expired milk? In one sense, no, you shouldn't let it expire. Use it faster, or buy less. In the other sense, yes, why leave it in the fridge? Nobody in this conversation is trying to get out of tipping people who aren't making a living base wage. We all agree it's a moral duty. Our claim is that wages should be higher so we shouldn't have to tip, eventually. And, yes, I would in fact disagree with tipping a person for good service. Everyone deserves a living wage, good service or not. If they don't meet your expectations, complain to their employer (chances are the cause of your bad service is out of their hands), and tip them anyway, every bit as generously as someone who provided good service. This too is a moral obligation.
- unimployed 7y ago
  Respectfully disagree with your assertion that no one here wants to get out of tipping people "not making it." The "I don't tip" sentiment is just a prevalent here as I have heard from drivers themselves that many people will purposely choose not to tip for going the extra mile. Most people here, just as in the real world are completely ignorant how the system actually works, how much the delivery person really takes home, and who is getting the short end of the stick between the worker, the restaurant, the customer, and any app service. You prefer to refer to moral obligations, I prefer to call it like it is. Don't act like an ass and expect discounted food delivered at some poor person's expense but your own. Also if you are a bad delivery driver (some exist, yes) don't expect a tip if you fuck up badly or really sucked... don't hit my car or my garage door (both have happened). Put yourself in someone else's shoes and obey the golden rule. No need to debate right and wrong, shoulds, oughts, and obligations, morals, duties, ethics, values, and philosophy. Just don't be lazily uninformed, have some empathy and conscientiousness, and treat other people the way you would want to be treated.

geofft 7y ago

You are conflating two senses of the word "should." Should you throw out expired milk? In one sense, no, you shouldn't let it expire. Use it faster, or buy less. In the other sense, yes, why leave it in the fridge? Nobody in this conversation is trying to get out of tipping people who aren't making a living base wage. We all agree it's a moral duty. Our claim is that wages should be higher so we shouldn't have to tip, eventually. And, yes, I would in fact disagree with tipping a person for good service. Everyone deserves a living wage, good service or not. If they don't meet your expectations, complain to their employer (chances are the cause of your bad service is out of their hands), and tip them anyway, every bit as generously as someone who provided good service. This too is a moral obligation.

unimployed 7y ago
Respectfully disagree with your assertion that no one here wants to get out of tipping people "not making it." The "I don't tip" sentiment is just a prevalent here as I have heard from drivers themselves that many people will purposely choose not to tip for going the extra mile. Most people here, just as in the real world are completely ignorant how the system actually works, how much the delivery person really takes home, and who is getting the short end of the stick between the worker, the restaurant, the customer, and any app service. You prefer to refer to moral obligations, I prefer to call it like it is. Don't act like an ass and expect discounted food delivered at some poor person's expense but your own. Also if you are a bad delivery driver (some exist, yes) don't expect a tip if you fuck up badly or really sucked... don't hit my car or my garage door (both have happened). Put yourself in someone else's shoes and obey the golden rule. No need to debate right and wrong, shoulds, oughts, and obligations, morals, duties, ethics, values, and philosophy. Just don't be lazily uninformed, have some empathy and conscientiousness, and treat other people the way you would want to be treated.