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We made it point now to avoid all US-based services. While we're not affected by the sanctions yet, it seems like it is a possibility in the future. There's rea
by snitko 7y ago
We made it point now to avoid all US-based services. While we're not affected by the sanctions yet, it seems like it is a possibility in the future. There's really not a lot of reasons to use Gitlab or Github or Slack or a number of other services. They're not exceptional in any way and can be replaced by other open-source or commercial projects.
- nathanaldensr 7y agoYep, and this is a sign of the ecosystem working well.
- ardani 7y agoIn the same line, if there's any forum I take with a spoonful of salt it's Hacker News.
- diminoten 7y agoConvenience and speed aren't reasons? You're handicapping yourself against your competitors, and no one who does that lasts very long.
- snitko 7y agoDon't see it that way. If I set up a process once, using software that's been tested and been around for a while, it's extremely convenient. And free. And there's no risk of deplatforming.
- diminoten 7y agoYou're completely ignoring feature parity, among many, many other things in your oversimplification... Ask any founder here: people don't generally randomly throw money without getting value; ergo these multibillion dollar services you're pretending are entirely replaceable with free tools offer some additional value .
- snitko 7y agoI'm a founder. I'm extremely careful not throwing money. And I'm especially am aware of the changing environment. The internet is no longer free. You depend on a third party, you lose. The only true way is to gradually build your own infrastructure as you grow.
- diminoten 7y agoThat's fine, but pretending like this is an objectively superior solution and the value prop of these companies doesn't exist is flat wrong. What if someone applied your own logic to buying your product (why pay when I can get the exact same thing from free tools)? It'd be annoying and generally wrong, wouldn't it?
- snitko 7y agoI'm happy to pay. To me, however, the value lies in predictability, sustainability and avoiding the risk of deplatforming. Tech companies come and go and are subject to political issues (as proven by Github). Thus, sometimes, it's wiser to pay engineers to set things up than buy a product/service.
- diminoten 7y agoYou're shifting the conversation though, this wasn't about what your priorities are it was about whether or not the products provide value. You claimed they don't, you are now saying they do provide value?
- batat 7y agoEven further. Wondered why there are no single Stallman reference here and in the previous discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20531039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20531039
- Tinfoilhat666 7y agoHow do you get payments from your customers? Most payments are processed by US companies.
- snitko 7y agoBitcoin.
- asdfman123 7y agoKeep in mind the sanctions affect all companies that do business in the US.