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Behdad Esfahbod lives in Canada though, also most of his FOSS contribution (pango, fontconfig etc) are on the freedesktop.org and GNOME git repo servers, not Gi

Behdad Esfahbod lives in Canada though, also most of his FOSS contribution (pango, fontconfig etc) are on the freedesktop.org and GNOME git repo servers, not GitHub.

dijit 7y ago
I know this is just nitpicking, but US Sanctions apply to sanctioned state nationals; regardless of location.
- styx31 7y ago
  Are you sure ? Quoted from GitHub CEO Nat Friedman on Twitter: > The restrictions are based on place of residence and location, not on nationality or heritage. If someone was flagged in error, they can fill out a form to get the restrictions lifted on their account within hours.
  - dijit 7y ago
    > Any company or national of Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, and the Crimea region. Export licensing of commodities or services intended for these countries is presumed denied; Wording like this appears on the treasury documents, Google cloud and Oracles official documentation on sanctions. I'll just link the Oracle one because ironically the one that google uses is really difficult to find: http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-345813.html http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-...
    - jwieczorek 7y ago
      By that wording, who is a national of the Crimea region? Did they mean residents?
- chriswwweb 7y ago
  No they don't! The sanction is against the country, not nationals. So if you are a developer from the U.S. with U.S. nationality and move to Cuba the sanctions would also apply to you. Actually there is a very good wikipedia page "United States sanctions against Iran" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_against_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_agains... about this, if you want more info.
  - dijit 7y ago
    I don't mean to be flippant, but it will sound this way. I trust Oracles lawyers to know the law better than a wikipedia page. http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-345813.html http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-...
    - sgift 7y ago
      Oracles lawyers and Githubs lawyers then disagree cause Githubs CEO stated the same thing as the GP: They block people based on location, not on nationality. If you are banned but not in one of the banned locations you can fill out a form to get unblocked: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1155311123467399168 https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1155311123467399168
      - jessaustin 7y ago
        Of course this is one of the intended consequences of any capricious military-state outrage. Uncertainty allows them to oppress more people while simultaneously claiming that wasn't their intent. The firms who are applying a broad brush are doing exactly what the armaments lobbyists desire.
    - NovemberWhiskey 7y ago
      IANAL but it seems to me like Oracle's lawyers have taken a stronger position than required by law. Nationality of individuals is primarily relevant for deemed-export under ITAR/EAR; not the OFAC sanctions on Iran.
behdad 7y ago
Hey. Behdad here. I live in the States but one of our core developers is in Iran. This whole incident was a huge miscommunication on github. Fortunately they have addressed some of it. In short: Open Source and public repos are not affected at all. HarfBuzz has been on github. We will consider moving to fdo or GNOME gitlab if github becomes a problem. Cheers

Behdad Esfahbod lives in Canada though, also most of his FOSS contribution (pango, fontconfig etc) are on the freedesktop.org and GNOME git repo servers, not GitHub.

dijit 7y ago

I know this is just nitpicking, but US Sanctions apply to sanctioned state nationals; regardless of location.

styx31 7y ago
Are you sure ? Quoted from GitHub CEO Nat Friedman on Twitter: > The restrictions are based on place of residence and location, not on nationality or heritage. If someone was flagged in error, they can fill out a form to get the restrictions lifted on their account within hours.
- dijit 7y ago
  > Any company or national of Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, and the Crimea region. Export licensing of commodities or services intended for these countries is presumed denied; Wording like this appears on the treasury documents, Google cloud and Oracles official documentation on sanctions. I'll just link the Oracle one because ironically the one that google uses is really difficult to find: http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-345813.html http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-...
  - jwieczorek 7y ago
    By that wording, who is a national of the Crimea region? Did they mean residents?
chriswwweb 7y ago
No they don't! The sanction is against the country, not nationals. So if you are a developer from the U.S. with U.S. nationality and move to Cuba the sanctions would also apply to you. Actually there is a very good wikipedia page "United States sanctions against Iran" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_against_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_agains... about this, if you want more info.
- dijit 7y ago
  I don't mean to be flippant, but it will sound this way. I trust Oracles lawyers to know the law better than a wikipedia page. http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-345813.html http://www.oracle.com/us/products/export/export-regulations-...
  - sgift 7y ago
    Oracles lawyers and Githubs lawyers then disagree cause Githubs CEO stated the same thing as the GP: They block people based on location, not on nationality. If you are banned but not in one of the banned locations you can fill out a form to get unblocked: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1155311123467399168 https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1155311123467399168
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      Of course this is one of the intended consequences of any capricious military-state outrage. Uncertainty allows them to oppress more people while simultaneously claiming that wasn't their intent. The firms who are applying a broad brush are doing exactly what the armaments lobbyists desire.
  - NovemberWhiskey 7y ago
    IANAL but it seems to me like Oracle's lawyers have taken a stronger position than required by law. Nationality of individuals is primarily relevant for deemed-export under ITAR/EAR; not the OFAC sanctions on Iran.

behdad 7y ago

Hey. Behdad here. I live in the States but one of our core developers is in Iran. This whole incident was a huge miscommunication on github. Fortunately they have addressed some of it. In short: Open Source and public repos are not affected at all. HarfBuzz has been on github. We will consider moving to fdo or GNOME gitlab if github becomes a problem. Cheers