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Everyone will eventually die anyway. And your reasons can just as easily be turned around. Why work hard to win at WoW? Cause you want to. Cause it is your dr

by smanek 16y ago

Everyone will eventually die anyway. And your reasons can just as easily be turned around. Why work hard to win at WoW? Cause you want to. Cause it is your dream. Cause you ever [sic] wanted to be lvl 80. etc. If your 'argument' applies equally well to any position it is completely meaningless.

loup-vaillant 16y ago
> Everyone will eventually die anyway. Oddly enough, not everyone agrees with that. Some of them are even working on that problem.
- shadowfox 16y ago
  Not very successfully though
- forensic 16y ago
  But what's the point of immortality anyway? Life is just a meaningless sequence of cause-effect relationships. Immortality would mean being trapped by life, eventually you'll explore everything there is to explore in life and be drawn to explore death. The experience of death is more meaningful than life - it is true adventure. Taking a peek for yourself, seeing what's more. Life is pain, so immortality is an infinity of pain. I can make these arguments all day. Immortality is not inherently meaningful.
  - loup-vaillant 16y ago
    You believe we have souls. I we do, the death problem has already been solved by Mother Nature, God, or what have you. However, current evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of the non existence of souls. therefore, death isn't the next adventure, it's nothing. About the meaning of immortality, you may want to read the Fun Theory sequence at http://lesswrong.com http://lesswrong.com
  - forensic 16y ago
    loup-vaillant said: "You believe we have souls. In that case, the death problem has already been solved by Mother Nature, God, or what have you. Current evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of the non existence of souls. therefore, death isn't a possible adventure, it's nothing. About the meaning of immortality, I recommend the Fun Theory sequence at lesswrong.com" No I don't believe in souls. You are assuming beliefs that I don't have. Nihilism does not require a belief in anything supernatural. I do believe that death is real, and therefore I believe that dying is something that happens to people. The point is that you can't prove in any objective way that death is less meaningful than life. This is not really due to the nature of life and death, it is due to the nature of meaning itself.
    - loup-vaillant 16y ago
      OK, I was confused by the word "adventure". I assumed that if you said this, then "death" must be… something. I thought we were disagreeing on facts. And of course I can't prove that death is less "meaningful" than life: that's a moral judgement, not a factual belief.

by smanek 16y ago

loup-vaillant 16y ago

> Everyone will eventually die anyway. Oddly enough, not everyone agrees with that. Some of them are even working on that problem.

shadowfox 16y ago
Not very successfully though
forensic 16y ago
But what's the point of immortality anyway? Life is just a meaningless sequence of cause-effect relationships. Immortality would mean being trapped by life, eventually you'll explore everything there is to explore in life and be drawn to explore death. The experience of death is more meaningful than life - it is true adventure. Taking a peek for yourself, seeing what's more. Life is pain, so immortality is an infinity of pain. I can make these arguments all day. Immortality is not inherently meaningful.
- loup-vaillant 16y ago
  You believe we have souls. I we do, the death problem has already been solved by Mother Nature, God, or what have you. However, current evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of the non existence of souls. therefore, death isn't the next adventure, it's nothing. About the meaning of immortality, you may want to read the Fun Theory sequence at http://lesswrong.com http://lesswrong.com
- forensic 16y ago
  loup-vaillant said: "You believe we have souls. In that case, the death problem has already been solved by Mother Nature, God, or what have you. Current evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of the non existence of souls. therefore, death isn't a possible adventure, it's nothing. About the meaning of immortality, I recommend the Fun Theory sequence at lesswrong.com" No I don't believe in souls. You are assuming beliefs that I don't have. Nihilism does not require a belief in anything supernatural. I do believe that death is real, and therefore I believe that dying is something that happens to people. The point is that you can't prove in any objective way that death is less meaningful than life. This is not really due to the nature of life and death, it is due to the nature of meaning itself.
  - loup-vaillant 16y ago
    OK, I was confused by the word "adventure". I assumed that if you said this, then "death" must be… something. I thought we were disagreeing on facts. And of course I can't prove that death is less "meaningful" than life: that's a moral judgement, not a factual belief.