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TIOBE Programming Community Index for December 2010

17 points by zoowar 16y ago

indy 16y ago
Delphi is more popular than Javascript?
- lenni 16y ago
  And JavaScript's proportional use has fallen in the last year?
- chromatic 16y ago
  The Object Pascal compiler currently known as Oxygene used to be "Chrome". Delphi jumped in the TIOBE ratings around the time Google released a browser named Chrome.
nestlequ1k 16y ago
Yeah, these rankings are complete and utter bullshit.
seanalltogether 16y ago
As someone who has done flash programming for the past 10 years I've never trusted this index. While I primarily work in objective-c these days, I can tell you from the size of the communities, to the amount of books that have been written, to the [very large number of jobs](http://jobsearch.monster.com/PowerSearch.aspx?q=flex&tm=60&rad=20&rad_units=miles http://jobsearch.monster.com/PowerSearch.aspx?q=flex&tm=...) in that field that this index just doesn't make sense to me.
wwkeyboard 16y ago
I don't know if I agree with their methodology; YouTube, Blogger, and MSN are probably not the best source of information about the programing community.
extension 16y ago
The main page claims "the ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors" yet the definition page says that all they do is search for "$LANGUAGE programming" on a few sites and add up the hits. The sites are Google, YouTube, Wikipedia, Blogger, MSN, and Yahoo. None of these are particularly relevant to the industry and search results could be affected by a wide variety of factors. I don't see how any conclusive meaning can be derived from this methodology. I find it strange, for example, that Scala is not in the top 50 and Clojure is not in the top 100, while languages I've never heard of make the top 20.
- zck 16y ago
  >I find it strange, for example, that...Clojure is not in the top 100... It isn't included in the search for Lisp (http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_definition.htm http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_d...). Email them and they'll add it.
muuh-gnu 16y ago
They count an all time low for Visual Basic at position 7, yet they have VisualBasic.NET at position 45, less popular than Logo, JavaFX and APL. When its not VB.NET at position 7, which Basic can they possibly mean? VBA? They can't possibly mean VB6, can they?
code_duck 16y ago
More activity surrounding Python at the expense of PHP would be a good thing.
scorchin 16y ago
I would say that Google searches for programming languages would be a little better as a benchmark. As it denotes the number of new users trying to learn a language (demand). Google Trends for (some) functional languages: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=31&q=erlang%2Cscala%2Cocaml%2Cclojure%2Chaskell&date=1%2F2010%2012m&cmpt=q http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=31&q=erlang%2... Just a shame that you can't add more than 5.
cgrubb 16y ago
The TIOBE index is the homecoming queen at the school for the homely. If you are going to date one of these girls, also check these out: http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ http://www.dataists.com/2010/12/ranking-the-popularity-of-programming-langauges/ http://www.dataists.com/2010/12/ranking-the-popularity-of-pr...
nhebb 16y ago
For comparison, here are the tag trends on Stack Overflow: http://hewgill.com/~greg/stackoverflow/stack_overflow/tagtrend.html http://hewgill.com/~greg/stackoverflow/stack_overflow/tagtre...

17 points by zoowar 16y ago

indy 16y ago

Delphi is more popular than Javascript?

lenni 16y ago
And JavaScript's proportional use has fallen in the last year?
chromatic 16y ago
The Object Pascal compiler currently known as Oxygene used to be "Chrome". Delphi jumped in the TIOBE ratings around the time Google released a browser named Chrome.

nestlequ1k 16y ago

Yeah, these rankings are complete and utter bullshit.

seanalltogether 16y ago

As someone who has done flash programming for the past 10 years I've never trusted this index. While I primarily work in objective-c these days, I can tell you from the size of the communities, to the amount of books that have been written, to the [very large number of jobs](http://jobsearch.monster.com/PowerSearch.aspx?q=flex&tm=60&rad=20&rad_units=miles http://jobsearch.monster.com/PowerSearch.aspx?q=flex&tm=...) in that field that this index just doesn't make sense to me.

wwkeyboard 16y ago

I don't know if I agree with their methodology; YouTube, Blogger, and MSN are probably not the best source of information about the programing community.

extension 16y ago

The main page claims "the ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors" yet the definition page says that all they do is search for "$LANGUAGE programming" on a few sites and add up the hits. The sites are Google, YouTube, Wikipedia, Blogger, MSN, and Yahoo. None of these are particularly relevant to the industry and search results could be affected by a wide variety of factors. I don't see how any conclusive meaning can be derived from this methodology. I find it strange, for example, that Scala is not in the top 50 and Clojure is not in the top 100, while languages I've never heard of make the top 20.

zck 16y ago
>I find it strange, for example, that...Clojure is not in the top 100... It isn't included in the search for Lisp (http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_definition.htm http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_d...). Email them and they'll add it.

muuh-gnu 16y ago

They count an all time low for Visual Basic at position 7, yet they have VisualBasic.NET at position 45, less popular than Logo, JavaFX and APL. When its not VB.NET at position 7, which Basic can they possibly mean? VBA? They can't possibly mean VB6, can they?

code_duck 16y ago

More activity surrounding Python at the expense of PHP would be a good thing.

scorchin 16y ago

I would say that Google searches for programming languages would be a little better as a benchmark. As it denotes the number of new users trying to learn a language (demand). Google Trends for (some) functional languages: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=31&q=erlang%2Cscala%2Cocaml%2Cclojure%2Chaskell&date=1%2F2010%2012m&cmpt=q http://www.google.com/insights/search/#cat=31&q=erlang%2... Just a shame that you can't add more than 5.

cgrubb 16y ago

The TIOBE index is the homecoming queen at the school for the homely. If you are going to date one of these girls, also check these out: http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ http://lang-index.sourceforge.net/ http://www.dataists.com/2010/12/ranking-the-popularity-of-programming-langauges/ http://www.dataists.com/2010/12/ranking-the-popularity-of-pr...

nhebb 16y ago

For comparison, here are the tag trends on Stack Overflow: http://hewgill.com/~greg/stackoverflow/stack_overflow/tagtrend.html http://hewgill.com/~greg/stackoverflow/stack_overflow/tagtre...