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You made quite the leap of logic there. The article is about people whose suicide attempts failed, and ended up with them alive in hospital. Of these people, o

You made quite the leap of logic there. The article is about people whose suicide attempts failed, and ended up with them alive in hospital. Of these people, only about 10% will successfully suicide later. There is no connection between these incidents and your justification for restraining suicidal people against their will. I am certain that there is evidence to support your claim, but this is not it.

JKCalhoun 7y ago
I see your point, but I also don't see much of a leap. If 90% who survived suicide did not attempt suicide again it sort of does suggest that had more people survived their suicide impulses they would also be one-timers. Sadly, sometimes one impulse is the last. I read about bridge jumpers who survived (I think it was the Golden Gate Bridge, FWIW) and most said the instant they left the bridge they had a rush of clarity and profoundly regretted what they had just done. Haunts me still to think about the ones that didn't survive but likely had that same moment of horror.
- temporaryvector 7y ago
  >If 90% who survived suicide did not attempt suicide again it sort of does suggest that had more people survived their suicide impulses they would also be one-timers. It might also suggest that those who survived a suicide attempt used half-hearted measures because it was an impulsive act, while at least some (though we'll likely never know that actual proportion) of those who did not survive their attempt went to greater lengths to ensure their death because their act was more premeditated and planned out than impulsive. What about the other 10%? Was there a second impulse, then a third one? Sad as it may be to contemplate, not all suicide is a spur-of-the-moment thing, some people will go to great lengths to get their affairs in order and ensure their own death.
- manicdee 7y ago
  I think the point is that they have to execute to get the release from the insanity. Pulling people back from the brink might stop them trying this time, but perhaps it’s that moment of clarity after all the noise and chaos inside their head has finally been resolved by making a decision and following through, that leads them to recognise the more sensible decisions they should have taken.
avip 7y ago
You really don't need "supportive evidence" to stop someone from hurting himself using whatever power you have. You just need to be a human being with a functioning heart.
- qwsxyh 7y ago
  A human being with a real "functioning heart" would not stop somebody from trying to kill themselves.

JKCalhoun 7y ago

I see your point, but I also don't see much of a leap. If 90% who survived suicide did not attempt suicide again it sort of does suggest that had more people survived their suicide impulses they would also be one-timers. Sadly, sometimes one impulse is the last. I read about bridge jumpers who survived (I think it was the Golden Gate Bridge, FWIW) and most said the instant they left the bridge they had a rush of clarity and profoundly regretted what they had just done. Haunts me still to think about the ones that didn't survive but likely had that same moment of horror.

temporaryvector 7y ago
>If 90% who survived suicide did not attempt suicide again it sort of does suggest that had more people survived their suicide impulses they would also be one-timers. It might also suggest that those who survived a suicide attempt used half-hearted measures because it was an impulsive act, while at least some (though we'll likely never know that actual proportion) of those who did not survive their attempt went to greater lengths to ensure their death because their act was more premeditated and planned out than impulsive. What about the other 10%? Was there a second impulse, then a third one? Sad as it may be to contemplate, not all suicide is a spur-of-the-moment thing, some people will go to great lengths to get their affairs in order and ensure their own death.
manicdee 7y ago
I think the point is that they have to execute to get the release from the insanity. Pulling people back from the brink might stop them trying this time, but perhaps it’s that moment of clarity after all the noise and chaos inside their head has finally been resolved by making a decision and following through, that leads them to recognise the more sensible decisions they should have taken.

avip 7y ago

You really don't need "supportive evidence" to stop someone from hurting himself using whatever power you have. You just need to be a human being with a functioning heart.

qwsxyh 7y ago
A human being with a real "functioning heart" would not stop somebody from trying to kill themselves.