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It's not a conspiracy, it's simply that centralization is highly efficient and thus extremely popular. It's the reason why engineers that want to run the busine

It's not a conspiracy, it's simply that centralization is highly efficient and thus extremely popular. It's the reason why engineers that want to run the business out of bare metal colos get laughed out of the room in favor of an AWS stack. Decentralization is more work.

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notyourday 7y ago
That's not the case. Centralization has certain pluses and those pluses tend to be gigantic compared to the minuses. AWS/GC/Azure trounce colos because AWS/GC/Azure come with tooling that simply does not exist in the colos. Atlantic.net blew minds of colo market when it provided API'able PDUs in early 2000s. Not the "SSH via this place into the APC with your username and a password see the status and trigger a power cycle" but "Send this payload to the following end point". PXE boot without manual tweaks is still basically non-existent in the colo space. I could continue with these examples but it should be enough. That's the reason why AWS/GC/Azure win, not because they are centralized. The minuses for AWS/GC/Azure is that no matter how big you are, unless you are Netflix or Snapchat you are still a very small customer which means that AWS/GC/Azure organization cares less about your happiness than Comcast does about the happiness of a random cable TV customer spending $180 a month on a triple play.
- justinmk 7y ago
  > for AWS/GC/Azure is that no matter how big you are, unless you are Netflix or Snapchat you are still a very small customer which means that AWS/GC/Azure organization cares less about your happiness That truism is often repeated, despite the fact that it contradicts Netflix's own strategy[1]: > We would prefer to be an insignificant customer in a giant cloud. [1] https://sink.io/jmk/selfish-cooperation https://sink.io/jmk/selfish-cooperation
  - notyourday 7y ago
    Netflix may want to be a small fish in a big pond but its spend makes it a very large fish in a very small pond. This means that its problems are addressed first regardless of what kind of general rules the "cloud" has. One can see it everywhere -- the larger and the bigger the customer the more important it is.
- root_axis 7y ago
  > AWS/GC/Azure trounce colos because AWS/GC/Azure come with tooling that simply does not exist in the colos. Yes, out of the box tooling is part of the "centralized" platform. In a decentralized world you stack some adhoc open-source tools and web dashboards atop your hand-rolled infrastructure. This is more work than a centralized solution that provides the metal and everything else you could possibly need (and everything you will never need) as a single centralized package. > PXE boot without manual tweaks is still basically non-existent in the colo space. I could continue with these examples but it should be enough. Those examples support my position. > That's the reason why AWS/GC/Azure win, not because they are centralized. They could not do this without being centralized, that's precisely the point.
  - notyourday 7y ago
    Nope. It does not have to do with centralization. It has to do with what the companies decided to do. Servint, Erols, DedicatedNow, DigitalNation, etc started before Amazon. So did EV1 or Choopa. They simply played a game of hardware rather than software tooling. As the hardware became more and more commoditized the software became more and more important. C/Panel and Plesk did not cut it. That's why Amazon/Google/Azure won.

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notyourday 7y ago

That's not the case. Centralization has certain pluses and those pluses tend to be gigantic compared to the minuses. AWS/GC/Azure trounce colos because AWS/GC/Azure come with tooling that simply does not exist in the colos. Atlantic.net blew minds of colo market when it provided API'able PDUs in early 2000s. Not the "SSH via this place into the APC with your username and a password see the status and trigger a power cycle" but "Send this payload to the following end point". PXE boot without manual tweaks is still basically non-existent in the colo space. I could continue with these examples but it should be enough. That's the reason why AWS/GC/Azure win, not because they are centralized. The minuses for AWS/GC/Azure is that no matter how big you are, unless you are Netflix or Snapchat you are still a very small customer which means that AWS/GC/Azure organization cares less about your happiness than Comcast does about the happiness of a random cable TV customer spending $180 a month on a triple play.

justinmk 7y ago
> for AWS/GC/Azure is that no matter how big you are, unless you are Netflix or Snapchat you are still a very small customer which means that AWS/GC/Azure organization cares less about your happiness That truism is often repeated, despite the fact that it contradicts Netflix's own strategy[1]: > We would prefer to be an insignificant customer in a giant cloud. [1] https://sink.io/jmk/selfish-cooperation https://sink.io/jmk/selfish-cooperation
- notyourday 7y ago
  Netflix may want to be a small fish in a big pond but its spend makes it a very large fish in a very small pond. This means that its problems are addressed first regardless of what kind of general rules the "cloud" has. One can see it everywhere -- the larger and the bigger the customer the more important it is.
root_axis 7y ago
> AWS/GC/Azure trounce colos because AWS/GC/Azure come with tooling that simply does not exist in the colos. Yes, out of the box tooling is part of the "centralized" platform. In a decentralized world you stack some adhoc open-source tools and web dashboards atop your hand-rolled infrastructure. This is more work than a centralized solution that provides the metal and everything else you could possibly need (and everything you will never need) as a single centralized package. > PXE boot without manual tweaks is still basically non-existent in the colo space. I could continue with these examples but it should be enough. Those examples support my position. > That's the reason why AWS/GC/Azure win, not because they are centralized. They could not do this without being centralized, that's precisely the point.
- notyourday 7y ago
  Nope. It does not have to do with centralization. It has to do with what the companies decided to do. Servint, Erols, DedicatedNow, DigitalNation, etc started before Amazon. So did EV1 or Choopa. They simply played a game of hardware rather than software tooling. As the hardware became more and more commoditized the software became more and more important. C/Panel and Plesk did not cut it. That's why Amazon/Google/Azure won.