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Can you fill up your car every night at home without going to a smelly, carcinogenic gas station?

by CarVac 7y ago

tomohawk 7y ago
I don't know about you, but I only go to safe gas stations. I don't have to have my car tied to my house with a short leash, and don't have to have a 220 line run to my garage. Speaking of which, what if you don't have a place to charge at night? My 500 mile range is not a best case range. It's the expected range. The ranges advertised by the EVs are for ideal conditions (new batteries, good temperature, etc). I don't live such an ideal life.
- nixpulvis 7y ago
  "safe gas stations" sounds a bit like "clean coal" in this context. Safety isn't the primary issue at play here. Both batteries and gasoline are energy storage mediums and come with some level of unsafety (Not to mention moving > 60MPH on highways is intrinsically unsafe). I'll argue burning oil is not safe for our environment! The metric we're all arguing over is practicality, and appeal which are highly subjective.
  - tomohawk 7y ago
    The incumbent solution (ICE) gets 500 miles of range on a 5 minute charge with 5 year old storage, when it is 5 degrees F. You can wave your "subjective" wand and dismiss this, but new solutions are always compared to the current one. Here's an example of what happens when the reality of the insufficient range of a Tesla kicks in: https://jalopnik.com/german-environmental-minister-returned-tesla-model-s-ov-1798363790 https://jalopnik.com/german-environmental-minister-returned-... I think it would be great if EVs would be successful, but don't tell me they're equivalent when they are not. By the time my ICE is down to the range of an EV, it's time for me to fill up again. The short range of the EVs is just unacceptable. I'd be totally willing to buy an equivalent EV, but the current crop of them are not equivalent, and they cost a lot more.

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Can you fill up your car every night at home without going to a smelly, carcinogenic gas station?

by CarVac 7y ago

Can you fill up your car every night at home without going to a smelly, carcinogenic gas station?

tomohawk 7y ago
I don't know about you, but I only go to safe gas stations. I don't have to have my car tied to my house with a short leash, and don't have to have a 220 line run to my garage. Speaking of which, what if you don't have a place to charge at night? My 500 mile range is not a best case range. It's the expected range. The ranges advertised by the EVs are for ideal conditions (new batteries, good temperature, etc). I don't live such an ideal life.
- nixpulvis 7y ago
  "safe gas stations" sounds a bit like "clean coal" in this context. Safety isn't the primary issue at play here. Both batteries and gasoline are energy storage mediums and come with some level of unsafety (Not to mention moving > 60MPH on highways is intrinsically unsafe). I'll argue burning oil is not safe for our environment! The metric we're all arguing over is practicality, and appeal which are highly subjective.
  - tomohawk 7y ago
    The incumbent solution (ICE) gets 500 miles of range on a 5 minute charge with 5 year old storage, when it is 5 degrees F. You can wave your "subjective" wand and dismiss this, but new solutions are always compared to the current one. Here's an example of what happens when the reality of the insufficient range of a Tesla kicks in: https://jalopnik.com/german-environmental-minister-returned-tesla-model-s-ov-1798363790 https://jalopnik.com/german-environmental-minister-returned-... I think it would be great if EVs would be successful, but don't tell me they're equivalent when they are not. By the time my ICE is down to the range of an EV, it's time for me to fill up again. The short range of the EVs is just unacceptable. I'd be totally willing to buy an equivalent EV, but the current crop of them are not equivalent, and they cost a lot more.