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First, from a pure narrow CO2 economy POV, cutting down a mature forest is good. Trees peak sequestration at 20-40 years. Second, BC can’t stop logging as long

by avip 7y ago

First, from a pure narrow CO2 economy POV, cutting down a mature forest is good. Trees peak sequestration at 20-40 years. Second, BC can’t stop logging as long as it’s trapped in a PC First Nations talk. Tangent, though this is technically a rainforest, it bares little resembles to what the word is usually associated with.

ricardobeat 7y ago
Your first statement seems to have been debunked long ago: > The researchers have found that carbon uptake of trees (as measured by growth rates) continuously increases with their size because the overall leaf area increases as they grow. This enables bigger trees to absorb more carbon from the atmosphere. Thus, the oldest trees in a forest capture the most carbon from the atmosphere. These oldest trees are to be found in ancient forests. Importantly, older trees are also more valuable for biodiversity than younger trees because they support a wider range of species Coming from Brazil, it pretty much looks like rain forest to me, except all the tree species are different. Besides, what is the point you are trying to make? That this is somehow ok?
- avip 7y ago
  Pls source your claims https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259766087_Rate_of_tree_carbon_accumulation_increases_continuously_with_tree_size https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259766087_Rate_of_t... Maybe instead of "debunked", you meant to say "this is a controversial issue". Here's a better source to support your claims: http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forestold.php http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forestold.php
  - ricardobeat 7y ago
    You’re right, I should. Was on mobile and in a bit of a hurry. Quote from the second link: > with respect to the Brazilian forests in the central Amazon - about 50% of their above-ground biomass is contained in less than the largest 10% of their trees
  - recusancy 7y ago
    CO2 Science is a fossil fuel funded climate denial center. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_the_Study_of_Carbon_Dioxide_and_Global_Change https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_the_Study_o...
    - avip 7y ago
      Ok. Why do climate deniers find it important to convince us old forests are important for CO2 balance maintenance?
- hackbinary 7y ago
  The bio diversity of conifer, rain or otherwise, is fractional of tropical rain forests. There are about 5 main coniferous species: Red cedar Douglas fir Sitka Spruce Yellow cedar West coast hemlock
DanBC 7y ago
Old growth forests have important ecological advantages over their ability to sink carbon.
- avip 7y ago
  Obviously. Hence from a pure narrow CO2 economy POV
sverige 7y ago
>Tangent, though this is technically a rainforest, it bares little resembles to what the word is usually associated with. Odd, because I recall a plaque at Lake Quinault of some sort claiming that the term "rain forest" was coined by FDR when he visited the Olympic peninsula, though it's not mentioned in the article linked below. https://www.historylink.org/File/5434 https://www.historylink.org/File/5434
strainer 7y ago
Cutting it in that manner is definitely not good because it doesn't regenerate when done so, for complicating ecological reasons. It is the regeneration stage of forestation which is remarkably good at capturing CO2. Logging could be done in an ecological manner enabling and even stimulating natural regeneration but the industry culture has been powerfully opposed to ecological concern and campaigns that have struggled against its practices for many decades past[1] Despite potentially offering insightful, fit and adventurous outdoor employment opportunities for humanity, global logging industry has politically lobbied to maintain a brutal strategy of maximum impact and immediate return towards its resource. These practices are developed and carried out wherever profitable, by well established Western logging companies and professionals. Wildlife is poisoned and culled before work begins to simplify operations - the nature of the whole area is eliminated by design : " Clearfelling, as the name suggests, first involves the complete felling of a forest by chainsaws and skidders. Then, the whole area is torched, the firing started by helicopters dropping incendiary devices made of jellied petroleum, commonly known as napalm. The resultant fire is of such ferocity it produces mushroom clouds visible from considerable distances. In consequence, every autumn, the island's otherwise most beautiful season, china-blue skies are frequently nicotine-scummed, an inescapable reminder that clearfelling means the total destruction of ancient and unique forests."[2] [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=eg+greenpeace+logging&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A2000&tbm= https://www.google.com/search?q=eg+greenpeace+logging&tbs=cd... [2] https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2007/may/1348543148/richard-flanagan/out-control https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2007/may/1348543148/rich...
- avip 7y ago
  BC law requires planting 3 trees per logged one. So in theory regeneration is there. No one thinks the logging industry is especially echo friendly. It’s as exploitive as any other.
  - strainer 7y ago
    It has been characteristically eco-destructive and defended its business to be so, even where standards exist and are enforced to require replanting - this has practically resulted in dense monoculture plantations not sustainable forest habitat. It simply has to be transformed, its legacy of habitat devastation must be outlawed and could even though unlikely -justly be retrospectively prosecuted.

by avip 7y ago

ricardobeat 7y ago

Your first statement seems to have been debunked long ago: > The researchers have found that carbon uptake of trees (as measured by growth rates) continuously increases with their size because the overall leaf area increases as they grow. This enables bigger trees to absorb more carbon from the atmosphere. Thus, the oldest trees in a forest capture the most carbon from the atmosphere. These oldest trees are to be found in ancient forests. Importantly, older trees are also more valuable for biodiversity than younger trees because they support a wider range of species Coming from Brazil, it pretty much looks like rain forest to me, except all the tree species are different. Besides, what is the point you are trying to make? That this is somehow ok?

avip 7y ago
Pls source your claims https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259766087_Rate_of_tree_carbon_accumulation_increases_continuously_with_tree_size https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259766087_Rate_of_t... Maybe instead of "debunked", you meant to say "this is a controversial issue". Here's a better source to support your claims: http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forestold.php http://www.co2science.org/subject/f/summaries/forestold.php
- ricardobeat 7y ago
  You’re right, I should. Was on mobile and in a bit of a hurry. Quote from the second link: > with respect to the Brazilian forests in the central Amazon - about 50% of their above-ground biomass is contained in less than the largest 10% of their trees
- recusancy 7y ago
  CO2 Science is a fossil fuel funded climate denial center. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_the_Study_of_Carbon_Dioxide_and_Global_Change https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_the_Study_o...
  - avip 7y ago
    Ok. Why do climate deniers find it important to convince us old forests are important for CO2 balance maintenance?
hackbinary 7y ago
The bio diversity of conifer, rain or otherwise, is fractional of tropical rain forests. There are about 5 main coniferous species: Red cedar Douglas fir Sitka Spruce Yellow cedar West coast hemlock

DanBC 7y ago

Old growth forests have important ecological advantages over their ability to sink carbon.

avip 7y ago
Obviously. Hence from a pure narrow CO2 economy POV

sverige 7y ago

>Tangent, though this is technically a rainforest, it bares little resembles to what the word is usually associated with. Odd, because I recall a plaque at Lake Quinault of some sort claiming that the term "rain forest" was coined by FDR when he visited the Olympic peninsula, though it's not mentioned in the article linked below. https://www.historylink.org/File/5434 https://www.historylink.org/File/5434

strainer 7y ago

Cutting it in that manner is definitely not good because it doesn't regenerate when done so, for complicating ecological reasons. It is the regeneration stage of forestation which is remarkably good at capturing CO2. Logging could be done in an ecological manner enabling and even stimulating natural regeneration but the industry culture has been powerfully opposed to ecological concern and campaigns that have struggled against its practices for many decades past[1] Despite potentially offering insightful, fit and adventurous outdoor employment opportunities for humanity, global logging industry has politically lobbied to maintain a brutal strategy of maximum impact and immediate return towards its resource. These practices are developed and carried out wherever profitable, by well established Western logging companies and professionals. Wildlife is poisoned and culled before work begins to simplify operations - the nature of the whole area is eliminated by design : " Clearfelling, as the name suggests, first involves the complete felling of a forest by chainsaws and skidders. Then, the whole area is torched, the firing started by helicopters dropping incendiary devices made of jellied petroleum, commonly known as napalm. The resultant fire is of such ferocity it produces mushroom clouds visible from considerable distances. In consequence, every autumn, the island's otherwise most beautiful season, china-blue skies are frequently nicotine-scummed, an inescapable reminder that clearfelling means the total destruction of ancient and unique forests."[2] [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=eg+greenpeace+logging&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A2000&tbm= https://www.google.com/search?q=eg+greenpeace+logging&tbs=cd... [2] https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2007/may/1348543148/richard-flanagan/out-control https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2007/may/1348543148/rich...

avip 7y ago
BC law requires planting 3 trees per logged one. So in theory regeneration is there. No one thinks the logging industry is especially echo friendly. It’s as exploitive as any other.
- strainer 7y ago
  It has been characteristically eco-destructive and defended its business to be so, even where standards exist and are enforced to require replanting - this has practically resulted in dense monoculture plantations not sustainable forest habitat. It simply has to be transformed, its legacy of habitat devastation must be outlawed and could even though unlikely -justly be retrospectively prosecuted.