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You Say What You Eat

80 points by 80mph 7y ago

papln 7y ago
Web devs, please don't do this: p { color: #707070 !important; } body { color: #7b7b7b; } This is a deeply hostile attack on your users, telling your users that you don't want them to read your site's primary content. If you think you need this, UI development is not a good career choice for you.
- sdegutis 7y ago
  What in particular is wrong with this?
  - cantcomplain 7y ago
    I think he's mad about !important, maybe he uses an extension to add css to the page, perhaps to make dark mode
    - ry4nolson 7y ago
      no, he's mad about the color.
      - blue4 7y ago
        He's mad about the order and the usage of important
  - WorldMaker 7y ago
    That !important makes it tough for Browser user-styles to override, which can be an accessibility issue for some users.
- noitsnot 7y ago
  Why? I can read the grey for the most part, which doesn't seem too hostile.
  - papln 7y ago
    > for the most part, is a terrible standard for main content. You should be able to read it for the all. You can read it, but many people do not have high-performance monitor and high-performance eyes. Users can configure monitor/browser defaults for contrast and text however they like; web devs shouldn't try to forcibly reduce constrast for the primary content that is supposed to be the main recipient of visual attention.
    - rimliu 7y ago
      How about not trying to back your personal dislike with some army of phantom users?
      - lucasmullens 7y ago
        Do you disagree that there exists people with bad eyesight?
        rimliu 7y ago
        I myself have bad eyesight. I can read that website perfectly fine. And author owns the original commenter nothing so does not really deserve this kind of attack. And most importantly — very high contrast (pure black on pure white) is actually bad.
    - noitsnot 7y ago
      I can assure you that developers are not the archenemy of implementing good color schemes...most of the time. The Creative Director and six Editors listed on the About page probably have more say in why they can't read their own work on certain monitors.
  - trhway 7y ago
- fmahaztra 7y ago
  The site runs on Joomla (https://www.archaeology.org/administrator/ https://www.archaeology.org/administrator/), so it might've just been default CSS from a template.
- andai 7y ago
  It actually reads really nice with inverted colors (using Dark Reader extension).
- tapanjk 7y ago
  This is why I appreciate reader mode in browsers that support it.
- draw_down 7y ago
  Come on.
- kerkeslager 7y ago
  By this logic, all CSS is an attack on your users, forcing them to see your sites content under the assumption that you know better than them how it should be presented. I tend to agree with this sentiment, but it's a lost war at this point.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- xwdv 7y ago
  You hold UI Development in too high esteem. It is not a graceful and delicate art, narrated by a smooth voice as the hints of a beautiful interface coming together are seen as reflections on a developer’s glasses, contemplating the placement of pixels quietly and softly in a dimly lit room on well calibrated monitors, thinking of the people who will consume the content. It is loud boiler room sweatshop where a low wage Javascript assemblyman slumped in his chair looks away from his laptop to eye the clock while his manager stands over his shoulder with arms crossed nodding his head and suggesting to give the page some more pizazz.
  - paulkon 7y ago
    Jony Ive would agree. The dichotomy is strong.
- cryptozeus 7y ago
  Totally agreed. If users can’t consume the data then whats the point of the website.
andai 7y ago
The agricultural revolution and its effects have been a disaster for the human race.
- BurningFrog 7y ago
  No grain, no gain!
- cheesymuffin 7y ago
  Don't you want to end world hunger? It's for kids, Vince.
- VeninVidiaVicii 7y ago
  In every aspect except for survival.
- snazz 7y ago
  This seems to be one of Harari’s arguments in Sapiens. In many ways, hunter-gatherers lived better lives, ate more varied foods, suffered fewer health problems, and left a much less lasting mark on their environment. But now that we’ve gotten to a point where much of the population lives in relative comfort, we can see that there was a long-term payoff from investing in agriculture.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    Well, that and industrialization, technology and specialization of labor has enabled us to be able to travel to outer space, for example. So we may be able to be the first species to colonize another planet. Earth will probably be smashed by another huge meteorite at some point in the future, so it's an important feat.
- sandov 7y ago
  Unsubscribe from Unabomber quotes.
Afton 7y ago
There are a lot of really challenging questions about how to count languages, so I'd need to read the actual study to determine how they counted. But this is a pretty cool result actually. I'm also interested in how they quantified 'ease of articulation' for bilabials vs labiodentals. Also, for those who don't have an overbite, can you more easily make er... reverse labiodentals (dentalabials?) where you use your lower teeth and your upper lip? I have an overbite, but the sound seems largely indistinct from my 'v/f'. I guess I'd have to see it's effect on surrounding vowels a bit more too. But different articulation points for the same sound are not unheard of (there are two different ways of making 's' for example). Quite cool.
- garmaine 7y ago
  They sound very distinct to me (with an overbite mind you). They would not be distinguishing in English, but they are very much different sounds.
chrisco255 7y ago
Weston A. Price did a lot of studies on nutrition and its impact on health, bone development, and growth, in particular, he focused on the impact of nutrition on dental health [1]. He noted that people who consumed meat and more primitive diets had superior dental health with few cavities (<1% of teeth impacted) and almost perfect dental arches (as opposed to folks nowadays who often require braces and extensive dental work in childhood or well into adulthood). It's interesting to see the skulls of pre-Columbus native Americans, for example [2]. I'm not sure if we're "evolving" as the article says. I think evolution tends to only evolve for traits that promote survival to the next generation. In this case, I think modern agricultural diets promote underdevelopment of the jaw and teeth, and we've compensated for that by adding additional consonants to our language. The truth is though, the diet that our jaws evolved for still live on in our genes and we're just suffering from malnutrition to an extent. [1] https://healthwyze.org/archive/nutrition_and_physical_degeneration_doctor_weston_a_price.pdf https://healthwyze.org/archive/nutrition_and_physical_degene... [2] http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch13 http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch13
- Cpoll 7y ago
  I had to do some research to understand the downvotes. For anyone else, the Weston A. Price Foundation and Price's writing has a fair bit of criticism for its weak science (see Quackwatch [1], Science Based Medicine [2], Rational Wiki [3] among others). It's hard to navigate their website, but it seems they're, among other things, pro-homeopathy, critical of vaccines, anti-soy, pro 'natural' foods, and advocate some controversial and potentially dangerous diets. [1] https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticd... [2] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling... [3] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    Don't know about the foundation itself, it was founded almost half a century after his death (1999 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation). But his research itself is highly cited. As for "weak science" the book itself "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" is cited by 585 sources on Google Scholar, for example: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=11845151867522528599&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=1184515186752252859... It squares with the parent article that's posted, that diet affects jaw and dental development. It's well documented that diet and nutrition drastically affect health, and plenty of other sources besides Weston Price's book attest to that: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14972061 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14972061 The interesting thing about Price's book, is that he spent time traveling to every continent and met with aboriginal tribes and met with the modern (book was written in the 30's) tribes there. He took photos of their teeth. Keep in mind, this book was written in a time before television, before dental hygiene products were readily available in many countries, etc. The interesting thing about the book is the photo evidence itself. Maori, Chumu, Samoans, Melanesians, Gaelics, Aborigines, Inuit and many others are covered.

80 points by 80mph 7y ago

Web devs, please don't do this: p { color: #707070 !important; } body { color: #7b7b7b; } This is a deeply hostile attack on your users, telling your users that you don't want them to read your site's primary content. If you think you need this, UI development is not a good career choice for you.

sdegutis 7y ago
What in particular is wrong with this?
- cantcomplain 7y ago
  I think he's mad about !important, maybe he uses an extension to add css to the page, perhaps to make dark mode
  - ry4nolson 7y ago
    no, he's mad about the color.
    - blue4 7y ago
      He's mad about the order and the usage of important
- WorldMaker 7y ago
  That !important makes it tough for Browser user-styles to override, which can be an accessibility issue for some users.
noitsnot 7y ago
Why? I can read the grey for the most part, which doesn't seem too hostile.
- papln 7y ago
  > for the most part, is a terrible standard for main content. You should be able to read it for the all. You can read it, but many people do not have high-performance monitor and high-performance eyes. Users can configure monitor/browser defaults for contrast and text however they like; web devs shouldn't try to forcibly reduce constrast for the primary content that is supposed to be the main recipient of visual attention.
  - rimliu 7y ago
    How about not trying to back your personal dislike with some army of phantom users?
    - lucasmullens 7y ago
      Do you disagree that there exists people with bad eyesight?
      - rimliu 7y ago
        I myself have bad eyesight. I can read that website perfectly fine. And author owns the original commenter nothing so does not really deserve this kind of attack. And most importantly — very high contrast (pure black on pure white) is actually bad.
  - noitsnot 7y ago
    I can assure you that developers are not the archenemy of implementing good color schemes...most of the time. The Creative Director and six Editors listed on the About page probably have more say in why they can't read their own work on certain monitors.
- trhway 7y ago
fmahaztra 7y ago
The site runs on Joomla (https://www.archaeology.org/administrator/ https://www.archaeology.org/administrator/), so it might've just been default CSS from a template.
andai 7y ago
It actually reads really nice with inverted colors (using Dark Reader extension).
tapanjk 7y ago
This is why I appreciate reader mode in browsers that support it.
draw_down 7y ago
Come on.
kerkeslager 7y ago
By this logic, all CSS is an attack on your users, forcing them to see your sites content under the assumption that you know better than them how it should be presented. I tend to agree with this sentiment, but it's a lost war at this point.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
xwdv 7y ago
You hold UI Development in too high esteem. It is not a graceful and delicate art, narrated by a smooth voice as the hints of a beautiful interface coming together are seen as reflections on a developer’s glasses, contemplating the placement of pixels quietly and softly in a dimly lit room on well calibrated monitors, thinking of the people who will consume the content. It is loud boiler room sweatshop where a low wage Javascript assemblyman slumped in his chair looks away from his laptop to eye the clock while his manager stands over his shoulder with arms crossed nodding his head and suggesting to give the page some more pizazz.
- paulkon 7y ago
  Jony Ive would agree. The dichotomy is strong.
cryptozeus 7y ago
Totally agreed. If users can’t consume the data then whats the point of the website.

andai 7y ago

The agricultural revolution and its effects have been a disaster for the human race.

BurningFrog 7y ago
No grain, no gain!
cheesymuffin 7y ago
Don't you want to end world hunger? It's for kids, Vince.
VeninVidiaVicii 7y ago
In every aspect except for survival.
snazz 7y ago
This seems to be one of Harari’s arguments in Sapiens. In many ways, hunter-gatherers lived better lives, ate more varied foods, suffered fewer health problems, and left a much less lasting mark on their environment. But now that we’ve gotten to a point where much of the population lives in relative comfort, we can see that there was a long-term payoff from investing in agriculture.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  Well, that and industrialization, technology and specialization of labor has enabled us to be able to travel to outer space, for example. So we may be able to be the first species to colonize another planet. Earth will probably be smashed by another huge meteorite at some point in the future, so it's an important feat.
sandov 7y ago
Unsubscribe from Unabomber quotes.

Afton 7y ago

There are a lot of really challenging questions about how to count languages, so I'd need to read the actual study to determine how they counted. But this is a pretty cool result actually. I'm also interested in how they quantified 'ease of articulation' for bilabials vs labiodentals. Also, for those who don't have an overbite, can you more easily make er... reverse labiodentals (dentalabials?) where you use your lower teeth and your upper lip? I have an overbite, but the sound seems largely indistinct from my 'v/f'. I guess I'd have to see it's effect on surrounding vowels a bit more too. But different articulation points for the same sound are not unheard of (there are two different ways of making 's' for example). Quite cool.

garmaine 7y ago
They sound very distinct to me (with an overbite mind you). They would not be distinguishing in English, but they are very much different sounds.

chrisco255 7y ago

Weston A. Price did a lot of studies on nutrition and its impact on health, bone development, and growth, in particular, he focused on the impact of nutrition on dental health [1]. He noted that people who consumed meat and more primitive diets had superior dental health with few cavities (<1% of teeth impacted) and almost perfect dental arches (as opposed to folks nowadays who often require braces and extensive dental work in childhood or well into adulthood). It's interesting to see the skulls of pre-Columbus native Americans, for example [2]. I'm not sure if we're "evolving" as the article says. I think evolution tends to only evolve for traits that promote survival to the next generation. In this case, I think modern agricultural diets promote underdevelopment of the jaw and teeth, and we've compensated for that by adding additional consonants to our language. The truth is though, the diet that our jaws evolved for still live on in our genes and we're just suffering from malnutrition to an extent. [1] https://healthwyze.org/archive/nutrition_and_physical_degeneration_doctor_weston_a_price.pdf https://healthwyze.org/archive/nutrition_and_physical_degene... [2] http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch13 http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html#ch13

Cpoll 7y ago
I had to do some research to understand the downvotes. For anyone else, the Weston A. Price Foundation and Price's writing has a fair bit of criticism for its weak science (see Quackwatch [1], Science Based Medicine [2], Rational Wiki [3] among others). It's hard to navigate their website, but it seems they're, among other things, pro-homeopathy, critical of vaccines, anti-soy, pro 'natural' foods, and advocate some controversial and potentially dangerous diets. [1] https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticdent.html https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/holisticd... [2] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling... [3] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation
- chrisco255 7y ago
  Don't know about the foundation itself, it was founded almost half a century after his death (1999 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation). But his research itself is highly cited. As for "weak science" the book itself "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" is cited by 585 sources on Google Scholar, for example: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=11845151867522528599&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=1184515186752252859... It squares with the parent article that's posted, that diet affects jaw and dental development. It's well documented that diet and nutrition drastically affect health, and plenty of other sources besides Weston Price's book attest to that: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14972061 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14972061 The interesting thing about Price's book, is that he spent time traveling to every continent and met with aboriginal tribes and met with the modern (book was written in the 30's) tribes there. He took photos of their teeth. Keep in mind, this book was written in a time before television, before dental hygiene products were readily available in many countries, etc. The interesting thing about the book is the photo evidence itself. Maori, Chumu, Samoans, Melanesians, Gaelics, Aborigines, Inuit and many others are covered.