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The problem is that MS did quite a lot to try and discredit open source when Linux was in its infancy. This is a bit like breaking someone's knee, and then han

The problem is that MS did quite a lot to try and discredit open source when Linux was in its infancy. This is a bit like breaking someone's knee, and then handing them a cane to hobble on, and then patting yourself on the back for being a major supporter of the person with the broken knee. >>What percentage of current Microsoft employees were there 15 years ago? Very few, I suspect. Are you sure about this? I personally know plenty of folks who used to talk about the "cancer of open-source", who are still there and now happily counting the money in their bank accounts. Are you imagining that these folks decided to just "up and leave" once Microsoft started supporting this so-called "cancer"?

kerng 7y ago
Curious do you apply the same logic to for instance Google? The majority of people that once did good and wanted "no evil" have left the company since 2000s. Will Google now forever remain that no evil company in your eyes? I think companies change, especially over the course of 20 years and if the change is positive, why not support it?
- bubble_talk 7y ago
  >>Curious do you apply the same logic to for instance Google? Yes. The entire big tech policy is basically a no-holds-barred power grab at the moment, which is definitely not "no evil". >>if the change is positive, why not support it? You are supposing something did change. But anyone who has actually been acquainted with any of the folks at these companies knows that this is not true. There isn't any "standing behind the courage of your convictions" going on here. It is just "let's do what is best for the bottom line, and then make up a story which suits our recent views". Generally, this is just what politicians do. So I suppose we can now group politicians and MS Employees together into the same weasel group. E.g. Even as MSFT was supposedly going through an embrace of open source, they were showing perma-nag popups inside Windows 7 to get everyone to upgrade (against their wish) to Windows 10. "Don't like it? Too bad. You don't have a choice in this matter". Now this is all fine - a company can do whatever it wants with its product yada yada - but then simultaneously people were talking about this "new Microsoft". Same goes with Microsoft's attempts to get a $5 tax on every Android which was sold. So yeah, in my view, nothing's actually changed.

kerng 7y ago

Curious do you apply the same logic to for instance Google? The majority of people that once did good and wanted "no evil" have left the company since 2000s. Will Google now forever remain that no evil company in your eyes? I think companies change, especially over the course of 20 years and if the change is positive, why not support it?

bubble_talk 7y ago
>>Curious do you apply the same logic to for instance Google? Yes. The entire big tech policy is basically a no-holds-barred power grab at the moment, which is definitely not "no evil". >>if the change is positive, why not support it? You are supposing something did change. But anyone who has actually been acquainted with any of the folks at these companies knows that this is not true. There isn't any "standing behind the courage of your convictions" going on here. It is just "let's do what is best for the bottom line, and then make up a story which suits our recent views". Generally, this is just what politicians do. So I suppose we can now group politicians and MS Employees together into the same weasel group. E.g. Even as MSFT was supposedly going through an embrace of open source, they were showing perma-nag popups inside Windows 7 to get everyone to upgrade (against their wish) to Windows 10. "Don't like it? Too bad. You don't have a choice in this matter". Now this is all fine - a company can do whatever it wants with its product yada yada - but then simultaneously people were talking about this "new Microsoft". Same goes with Microsoft's attempts to get a $5 tax on every Android which was sold. So yeah, in my view, nothing's actually changed.