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Sorry, but this so called Microsoft revival under Nadella is pure marketing, not in the least bit technical. Under Ballmer (and Gates before him), Microsoft wer

Sorry, but this so called Microsoft revival under Nadella is pure marketing, not in the least bit technical. Under Ballmer (and Gates before him), Microsoft were a super ambitious company that tried to be the best at everything it did, and they made an effort to recruit the best programmers. Under Nadella, Microsoft completely lacks any ambition, and almost all of their best programmers have left for Google, Facebook or Amazon. They are now officially the new IBM. Not in the least bit exciting or something to emulate.

llampx 7y ago
[Citation needed]
mistermann 7y ago
They've written zero lines of code since Nadella's arrival?
- vikinghckr 7y ago
  They're writing code obviously, but they are happy hiring mediocre programmers these days for their boring, mediocre products. They pay far lower than Google, Facebook and Amazon do. They make zero effort to recruit the brightest minds in the industry.
  - mistermann 7y ago
    Even if these things are true (and you have no way of knowing they are, you're clearly just guessing), your original assertion "Sorry, but this so called Microsoft revival under Nadella is pure marketing, not in the least bit technical" is false.
    - vikinghckr 7y ago
      How does that follow? If what I say is true (and it is, just talk to software engineers who work at these big companies they'll tell you the same), then it means Microsoft have done nothing under Nadella that's ambitious or challenging from a technical point of view. They have made no new products or improved existing ones that warrants calling it a revival. All they have done is better PR.
      - mistermann 7y ago
        "They make zero effort to recruit the brightest minds in the industry." is true? Could you explain in detail how you know this to be true?
        vikinghckr 7y ago
        Sure. Making an effort to recruit the brightest minds means first of all paying them like your competitors are paying. Giving them similar perks. Giving them challenging things to work on. Giving them good promotion paths within the company. Making the company engineering-driven rather than middle-manager driven. Google and Facebook do all of them. Microsoft currently do none. Also, you haven't addressed why you think even if my assertion is true how Microsoft's so called revival having nothing to do with tech isn't true.
        mistermann 7y ago
        > Making an effort to recruit the brightest minds means first of all paying them like your competitors are paying. Giving them similar perks. Are compensation and perks the only factor in attracting talent? Are they a prerequisite? Are you able to substantiate this belief with facts? > Giving them challenging things to work on. Can you substantiate your claim that no one at Microsoft has interesting things to work on lately? Can you at least link to some anecdotal stories with a bit of substance to them? > Giving them good promotion paths within the company. Making the company engineering-driven rather than middle-manager driven. Google and Facebook do all of them. Microsoft currently do none. Again, do you have any evidence other than your opinion? > Also, you haven't addressed why you think even if my assertion is true how Microsoft's so called revival having nothing to do with tech isn't true. Azure. Their revenue increasingly comes from Azure. It is new. It is technology.
kerng 7y ago
To my knowledge Microsoft pays well - maybe not like Facebook, but on the other hand employees have a life and can focus on family, whichbin return reflects the Nadella version of Microsoft. I recommend reading "Hit refresh" from Nadella. Fascinating book that teaches a lot about being humble and grateful.
- vikinghckr 7y ago
  I don't doubt that Nadella is humble, and so is Microsoft under him. But my point is they're not in the least bit ambitious technically. They are not trying to make any product that's the best in the world. The old Microsoft, and the current Google/Facebook/Amazon all have that ambition.

llampx 7y ago

[Citation needed]

mistermann 7y ago

They've written zero lines of code since Nadella's arrival?

vikinghckr 7y ago
They're writing code obviously, but they are happy hiring mediocre programmers these days for their boring, mediocre products. They pay far lower than Google, Facebook and Amazon do. They make zero effort to recruit the brightest minds in the industry.
- mistermann 7y ago
  Even if these things are true (and you have no way of knowing they are, you're clearly just guessing), your original assertion "Sorry, but this so called Microsoft revival under Nadella is pure marketing, not in the least bit technical" is false.
  - vikinghckr 7y ago
    How does that follow? If what I say is true (and it is, just talk to software engineers who work at these big companies they'll tell you the same), then it means Microsoft have done nothing under Nadella that's ambitious or challenging from a technical point of view. They have made no new products or improved existing ones that warrants calling it a revival. All they have done is better PR.
    - mistermann 7y ago
      "They make zero effort to recruit the brightest minds in the industry." is true? Could you explain in detail how you know this to be true?
      - vikinghckr 7y ago
        Sure. Making an effort to recruit the brightest minds means first of all paying them like your competitors are paying. Giving them similar perks. Giving them challenging things to work on. Giving them good promotion paths within the company. Making the company engineering-driven rather than middle-manager driven. Google and Facebook do all of them. Microsoft currently do none. Also, you haven't addressed why you think even if my assertion is true how Microsoft's so called revival having nothing to do with tech isn't true.
        mistermann 7y ago
        > Making an effort to recruit the brightest minds means first of all paying them like your competitors are paying. Giving them similar perks. Are compensation and perks the only factor in attracting talent? Are they a prerequisite? Are you able to substantiate this belief with facts? > Giving them challenging things to work on. Can you substantiate your claim that no one at Microsoft has interesting things to work on lately? Can you at least link to some anecdotal stories with a bit of substance to them? > Giving them good promotion paths within the company. Making the company engineering-driven rather than middle-manager driven. Google and Facebook do all of them. Microsoft currently do none. Again, do you have any evidence other than your opinion? > Also, you haven't addressed why you think even if my assertion is true how Microsoft's so called revival having nothing to do with tech isn't true. Azure. Their revenue increasingly comes from Azure. It is new. It is technology.

kerng 7y ago

To my knowledge Microsoft pays well - maybe not like Facebook, but on the other hand employees have a life and can focus on family, whichbin return reflects the Nadella version of Microsoft. I recommend reading "Hit refresh" from Nadella. Fascinating book that teaches a lot about being humble and grateful.

vikinghckr 7y ago
I don't doubt that Nadella is humble, and so is Microsoft under him. But my point is they're not in the least bit ambitious technically. They are not trying to make any product that's the best in the world. The old Microsoft, and the current Google/Facebook/Amazon all have that ambition.