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> There's no indication that the intervention is predicated on confessing. The article basically says that an admission of guilt is required. Otherwise the per
by Avamander 7y ago
> There's no indication that the intervention is predicated on confessing.
The article basically says that an admission of guilt is required. Otherwise the person would stay a suspect not a participant of the program.
> the perpetrators have done something very serious
And what is "the perpetrators have done something very serious"? By law piracy is very serious, changing a wallpaper can be very serious (there's a nice US case about that, but that's not incredibly relevant).
> Dows that sound like petty adults using nasty manipulation to mess up kid's lives?
It isn't maybe written like that, but it's going to be like that. Especially given the concerns I raised in the original comment, for example the issue of laws criminalizing menial things.
- yorwba 7y ago> The article basically says that an admission of guilt is required. So it does. I'm not sure where they're getting that, maybe from the requirement to apologize to one's victims that's part of https://www.halt.nl/en/halt-programme/ https://www.halt.nl/en/halt-programme/ ? > And what is "the perpetrators have done something very serious"? In the case they mention, it was infiltrating an ISP's network: Jansen gives an example of a boy who hacked a large internet service provider. To watch free videos, he tried out how far he could penetrate the system. Due to an update error, he had access to the company's routers. As a result, he was able to lay down eighty percent of all internet and telephone traffic in the Netherlands. He chose not to do anything with this information, but boasted about his findings online.
- Avamander 7y agoOne case is infiltrating an ISP's network, that's really rare. DDoSing your own school or messing with that infrastructure is way more common, that probably is serious enough for administration but in reality absolutely not worth putting someone in front of a judge for or threaten them with a prison sentence (the Dutch article mentions it's not out of question) but now there's a nice excuse to hand it over to the police to deal with. And I must bring up how whitehat behaviour is basically illegal as well, imagine getting a criminal record for that as a kid :/
- milankragujevic 7y agoFor what it's worth, I obtained a way to bypass any rate limiting and quota/Fair Use systems, and basically have unlimited Internet speed and no data cap on any SIM card of one carrier. I reported the finding to them, after many escalations they in the end gave me an expensive phone as a gift and fixed the issue. It was in Serbia, so I'm not sure how relevant that is to the EU.
- aussieguy1234 7y ago"In order to qualify for the program, suspects must confess to their actions, not have a remarkable criminal history and be prepared to change their behavior."
- notzuck 7y agoYou're tainted by your American experience where judges were paid to put kids in jail. This kind of thing is much less common in Europe.
- bryanrasmussen 7y agopaid seems like the wrong word choice, but some other negative would be appropriate.
- notzuck 7y agoNope - they were paid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
- Avamander 7y agoYou make an invalid assumption that I'm American.
- habnds 7y agowait wait wait, you can't mention a case of changing someones wallpaper and describe it as very serious and not share details! Is there a criminal case about a changed desktop background?
- Avamander 7y agoIt's an US case but here: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2909321/8th-grader-charged-with-felony-hacking-for-changing-teachers-digital-wallpaper.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2909321/8th-grader-cha...
- habnds 7y agothat's nuts
- taneq 7y agoSome countries have stupidly broad laws about "unauthorized access to a computer system" which could be triggered by something this trivial.