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Who are you to decide how people live their own lives? Sure, if Japan started trying to fund apartment blocks of these places in your country, maybe you could g

Who are you to decide how people live their own lives? Sure, if Japan started trying to fund apartment blocks of these places in your country, maybe you could get pissed. But if these people choose these lives, there's no need to label it as plight.

MickerNews 7y ago
>Who are you to decide how people live their own lives? What a nonsense comment. I'm not "deciding how people live their lives". The people who are deciding how people live their lives are those in Japan renting out these places and voting for this lack of competent regulation. Who are they to do that? Who are you to support it? >Sure, if Japan started trying to fund apartment blocks of these places in your country How do you know which country I own? Maybe my country is Japan? >But if these people choose these lives You think people would choose this life if it wasn't their last resort? This is not a choice, it's desperation.
- rubinelli 7y ago
  Those people would have a two or even three-hour commute otherwise. They chose to sacrifice space to save time and energy. Most workers wasting 10+ hours in a car or public transportation don't get to choose.
  - MickerNews 7y ago
    Yeah that much is obvious. The job is untenable unless it's commutable. Just move the job out of Tokyo instead of requiring such a ludicrous "sacrifice".
- rayiner 7y ago
  You’re mad the Japanese aren’t passing regulations to tell people how to live their lives?
  - MickerNews 7y ago
    You're mad that people think that basic standards should exist?
    - rayiner 7y ago
      These regulations don’t impose “basic standards.” They take away the choices of people of limited means. (Instead of living in a small house, commute forever from the suburbs.)
      - MickerNews 7y ago
        They take the choices away from people of unlimited means. Instead of giving a fuck about "basic standards" for employees, just let them live in coffins. Why do you think “basic standards.” in quotes as you put it are a bad thing? Do you think they shouldn't exist? Note how you call these absurd living arrangements as "small houses", why did you feel the need to use this euphemism? I think we all know why.
        rayiner 7y ago
        No, rich yuppies can still afford to live near work. It’s the service workers that can’t find affordable small housing, and then need to spend an hour each way on the train to get to their jobs. You can’t impose “minimum standards” for housing by fiat any more than you can make a plane fly by regulatory directive. That idea displays a level of ignorance comparable to flat eatherism. All you can do is push on the balloon—and when you do, it’ll bulge out somewhere else. In the context of housing, that means if you make it illegal to build housing for poor people in places wit jobs, you’ll either make them homeless, unemployed, or you’ll saddle them with long commutes from places with affordable housing.
        MickerNews 7y ago
        >You can’t impose “minimum standards” for housing by fiat Of course you can. This is precisely how the modern world operates. >any more than you can make a plane fly by regulatory directive. This honestly sounds like a childish understanding of governance. How you can compare two entirely different things? Aerospace is perhaps the most regulated mode of transport than I can think of. Planes are, quite literally, kept flying by regulatory directive. I'm embarrassed for myself that I need to stoop to explain such a fundamental working of the world. >That idea displays a level of ignorance comparable to flat eatherism. All you can do is push on the balloon—and when you do, it’ll bulge out somewhere else. I think you've either got a lot of reading to do or you're a young person who's been inculcated with a juvenile ideology. In either case you need to rid yourself of this simplistic world view. >In the context of housing, that means if you make it illegal to build housing for poor people in places wit jobs, you’ll either make them homeless, unemployed, or you’ll saddle them with long commutes from places with affordable housing. You need to have more imagination here. Most countries manage this just fine.

MickerNews 7y ago

>Who are you to decide how people live their own lives? What a nonsense comment. I'm not "deciding how people live their lives". The people who are deciding how people live their lives are those in Japan renting out these places and voting for this lack of competent regulation. Who are they to do that? Who are you to support it? >Sure, if Japan started trying to fund apartment blocks of these places in your country How do you know which country I own? Maybe my country is Japan? >But if these people choose these lives You think people would choose this life if it wasn't their last resort? This is not a choice, it's desperation.

rubinelli 7y ago
Those people would have a two or even three-hour commute otherwise. They chose to sacrifice space to save time and energy. Most workers wasting 10+ hours in a car or public transportation don't get to choose.
- MickerNews 7y ago
  Yeah that much is obvious. The job is untenable unless it's commutable. Just move the job out of Tokyo instead of requiring such a ludicrous "sacrifice".
rayiner 7y ago
You’re mad the Japanese aren’t passing regulations to tell people how to live their lives?
- MickerNews 7y ago
  You're mad that people think that basic standards should exist?
  - rayiner 7y ago
    These regulations don’t impose “basic standards.” They take away the choices of people of limited means. (Instead of living in a small house, commute forever from the suburbs.)
    - MickerNews 7y ago
      They take the choices away from people of unlimited means. Instead of giving a fuck about "basic standards" for employees, just let them live in coffins. Why do you think “basic standards.” in quotes as you put it are a bad thing? Do you think they shouldn't exist? Note how you call these absurd living arrangements as "small houses", why did you feel the need to use this euphemism? I think we all know why.
      - rayiner 7y ago
        No, rich yuppies can still afford to live near work. It’s the service workers that can’t find affordable small housing, and then need to spend an hour each way on the train to get to their jobs. You can’t impose “minimum standards” for housing by fiat any more than you can make a plane fly by regulatory directive. That idea displays a level of ignorance comparable to flat eatherism. All you can do is push on the balloon—and when you do, it’ll bulge out somewhere else. In the context of housing, that means if you make it illegal to build housing for poor people in places wit jobs, you’ll either make them homeless, unemployed, or you’ll saddle them with long commutes from places with affordable housing.
        MickerNews 7y ago
        >You can’t impose “minimum standards” for housing by fiat Of course you can. This is precisely how the modern world operates. >any more than you can make a plane fly by regulatory directive. This honestly sounds like a childish understanding of governance. How you can compare two entirely different things? Aerospace is perhaps the most regulated mode of transport than I can think of. Planes are, quite literally, kept flying by regulatory directive. I'm embarrassed for myself that I need to stoop to explain such a fundamental working of the world. >That idea displays a level of ignorance comparable to flat eatherism. All you can do is push on the balloon—and when you do, it’ll bulge out somewhere else. I think you've either got a lot of reading to do or you're a young person who's been inculcated with a juvenile ideology. In either case you need to rid yourself of this simplistic world view. >In the context of housing, that means if you make it illegal to build housing for poor people in places wit jobs, you’ll either make them homeless, unemployed, or you’ll saddle them with long commutes from places with affordable housing. You need to have more imagination here. Most countries manage this just fine.