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I presume any comments from me are unlikely to convince you that CNCF is a trustworthy organization, but I would suggest that the 2018 CNCF Annual Report is pro

I presume any comments from me are unlikely to convince you that CNCF is a trustworthy organization, but I would suggest that the 2018 CNCF Annual Report is probably the best source of understanding what we do and why we do it. https://www.cncf.io/cncf-annual-report-2018/ https://www.cncf.io/cncf-annual-report-2018/ You're also welcome to email me and arrange a call. Disclosure: I'm executive director of CNCF and responsible for that report.

hardwaresofton 7y ago
Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to respond -- I don't mean this offensively but that report is basically a PR document. The CNCF has done amazing things, again I really am happy with what it does -- The CNCF doesn't have to exist, and it helps so many projects (theoretically better than not helping at all, assuming they wouldn't have received direct contributions anyway, or would have squandered them). What I was hoping for was input from people who work with the CNCF -- projects that can speak honestly about how CNCF governance changed their projects, both the good and the bad. When I generally see the CNCF mentioned it's "we got adopted by the CNCF" then cheers, and that's about all anyone says on it. I think you could absolutely banish this opinion (definitely from me at least, I am often wrong and must change my mind to accomodate, this would be no different) by give some more of this "social proof" specifically from people who are f/oss hackers dealing with the CNCF. If kernel hackers say the Linux Foundation is legit/helps them and isn't overbearing, I believe them. Even with all this, there's the possibility that the CNCF is trustworthy now but loses it's way and starts losing it's way but open source projects that grew dependent on it basically don't leave... But even typing that out it's obvious there's nothing anyone could do to prevent that really, the inevitability of politics, etc. Again, pretty tinfoil-y, which is why I'm currently defaulting to distrust but am doubtful that I should be.
- dankohn1 7y ago
  OK. Note regarding "how CNCF governance changed their projects" that CNCF doesn't govern our hosted projects. Instead, to reach graduation, they're required to create and follow a neutral governance process. However, each project's is different. https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_c...

hardwaresofton 7y ago

Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to respond -- I don't mean this offensively but that report is basically a PR document. The CNCF has done amazing things, again I really am happy with what it does -- The CNCF doesn't have to exist, and it helps so many projects (theoretically better than not helping at all, assuming they wouldn't have received direct contributions anyway, or would have squandered them). What I was hoping for was input from people who work with the CNCF -- projects that can speak honestly about how CNCF governance changed their projects, both the good and the bad. When I generally see the CNCF mentioned it's "we got adopted by the CNCF" then cheers, and that's about all anyone says on it. I think you could absolutely banish this opinion (definitely from me at least, I am often wrong and must change my mind to accomodate, this would be no different) by give some more of this "social proof" specifically from people who are f/oss hackers dealing with the CNCF. If kernel hackers say the Linux Foundation is legit/helps them and isn't overbearing, I believe them. Even with all this, there's the possibility that the CNCF is trustworthy now but loses it's way and starts losing it's way but open source projects that grew dependent on it basically don't leave... But even typing that out it's obvious there's nothing anyone could do to prevent that really, the inevitability of politics, etc. Again, pretty tinfoil-y, which is why I'm currently defaulting to distrust but am doubtful that I should be.

dankohn1 7y ago
OK. Note regarding "how CNCF governance changed their projects" that CNCF doesn't govern our hosted projects. Instead, to reach graduation, they're required to create and follow a neutral governance process. However, each project's is different. https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_c...