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This may be dangerous to perceive this as the norm. Thinking back, a lot of things considered horrible today were the norm not that long ago. We should think r

This may be dangerous to perceive this as the norm. Thinking back, a lot of things considered horrible today were the norm not that long ago. We should think really hard about whether to accept this and make an argument: "no one forced those ppl in it". It's not the point. I'm sure we can do better. Is it beyond our abilities to figure out a good living condiditions? in year 2020? Really? I'm horrified by the idea that in order to have a decent job, I'd have to live in such conditions. Can you imagine if it's not few ppl, but hundreds of thousands? All of New York? No, thanks.

logicchains 7y ago
Don't impose your preferences on other people. Personally I think having to commute an hour to and from work sounds horrible, as does the idea of living in a suburb with barely any restaurants or people around compared to the city centre. I can't be the only one who would happily trade reduced living space for reduced commute and a more urban location. Different people care about different things.
luckylion 7y ago
What are "good living conditions" that you would approve of? And what's too much, because certainly there's a point where the space (and resources) are wasted? 20sqm/person? 40? 80? Keep in mind that we'd need to supply that space to everyone. Picking a low number sounds like a good idea if you don't suggest turning every park into a sky scraper or "removing" part of the population so there is more space to go around.
matz1 7y ago
I'm more horrified that someone think this idea is horrible idea and want to discourage the normalization of this. I think that is more dangerous. Some people just don't have much stuff and doesn't have claustrophobic issue. Some people just prefer location or cheaper cost. I choose micro apartment anyday over shared house. More space is just wasted empty space for me.
biql 7y ago
The only alternative I can think of is to grow smaller cities. But that's not going to happen as long as people prefer to move to a metropolis and are ready to put up with the cost of living. For the change to start, the option of living in a metropolis should start sucking more than the option of living in a smaller city.
PunchTornado 7y ago
I'd prefer a small place than to commute to work. Commuting is hell.

logicchains 7y ago

Don't impose your preferences on other people. Personally I think having to commute an hour to and from work sounds horrible, as does the idea of living in a suburb with barely any restaurants or people around compared to the city centre. I can't be the only one who would happily trade reduced living space for reduced commute and a more urban location. Different people care about different things.

luckylion 7y ago

What are "good living conditions" that you would approve of? And what's too much, because certainly there's a point where the space (and resources) are wasted? 20sqm/person? 40? 80? Keep in mind that we'd need to supply that space to everyone. Picking a low number sounds like a good idea if you don't suggest turning every park into a sky scraper or "removing" part of the population so there is more space to go around.

matz1 7y ago

I'm more horrified that someone think this idea is horrible idea and want to discourage the normalization of this. I think that is more dangerous. Some people just don't have much stuff and doesn't have claustrophobic issue. Some people just prefer location or cheaper cost. I choose micro apartment anyday over shared house. More space is just wasted empty space for me.

biql 7y ago

The only alternative I can think of is to grow smaller cities. But that's not going to happen as long as people prefer to move to a metropolis and are ready to put up with the cost of living. For the change to start, the option of living in a metropolis should start sucking more than the option of living in a smaller city.

PunchTornado 7y ago

I'd prefer a small place than to commute to work. Commuting is hell.