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If Siri reviewers encounter evidence of certain crimes such as murder, sex trafficking, pedophilia, or domestic abuse, it is obvious they have a basic moral dut

If Siri reviewers encounter evidence of certain crimes such as murder, sex trafficking, pedophilia, or domestic abuse, it is obvious they have a basic moral duty to report the crime and turn over the evidence to investigators.

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identity0 7y ago
I disagree. There's a reason that evidence obtained illegally by the police can't be admitted in court, even if it proves some horrible crime. IMO the fair use of the law for the whole population is far more important than stopping one criminal.
- Iv 7y ago
  "by the police" In this case it is not the police who obtained it. I think in some countries, not reporting crimes you know about could count as complicity.
  - apetrov 7y ago
    unless you’re a lawyer and have a client-attorney privilege. same thing might apply here.
- hermitdev 7y ago
  Obligatory not a lawyer, but third party doctrine likely applies in the US, meaning that it would not be illegal for police to use such evidence if supplied by Apple. Not sure where the line is drawn if Apple itself violated it's own EULA, or violated local wire tapping laws, or if a service like Siri falls under such laws. I know California and Illinois are 2 party consent states. Not positive if it's only for phone calls or all voice recordings.
novok 7y ago
Thats the burn a forest to kill a few rabid dogs argument.
anigbrowl 7y ago
Your persistent trolling is becoming tiresome.
matt-attack 7y ago
As an aside, it’s highly ignorant to refer to pedophilia as a “crime”. Please be aware that pedophilia is not in fact a crime at all. It in fact refers to the attraction one had toward pre-pubescent children. Be aware that this is entirely different than being a child rapist. I assume you meant to say “child rapists” in your statement. In the same way it’s generally accepted that homosexuals and heterosexuals don’t choose their sexual identity, neither do pedophiles. One could say they’re “cursed” to be given that sexual preference they were born with. Since most are not both pedophiles and rapists, most are doomed to live a life of unfulfilled attraction. The majority of pedophiles recognize that rape is wrong and would never consider it. To equate pedophilia and rape is flawed as equating all neck-beards as obviously rapists (since presumably they’re so sexually repulsive they could never get a woman to agree to consensual sex). Obviously the majority of sexually repulsive males don’t just feel entitled to rape at will, neither do pedophiles.
- dao- 7y ago
  > One could say they’re “cursed” to be given that sexual preference they were born with. Were they, though? I did some light research for a university course many years ago and from what I understand/remember, many pedophiles were themselves abused in their childhood, which can really mess up a developing brain. Still cursed, just in a slightly different even more tragic way.
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  - matt-attack 7y ago
    > Were they though? I suspect the propensity to rape is what is learned. I’d question whether the pure attraction is formed by the abuse you describe. We should recall those a decade ago, suggesting that homosexuality was a “disorder” needing to be cured. A disorder implying that it was caused by some incident. Clearly that line of thinking is outdated and offensive to many. Either way the source is of the attraction is moot. The fact is we live amongst pedophiles and there’s no reason they should be reviled.

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identity0 7y ago

I disagree. There's a reason that evidence obtained illegally by the police can't be admitted in court, even if it proves some horrible crime. IMO the fair use of the law for the whole population is far more important than stopping one criminal.

Iv 7y ago
"by the police" In this case it is not the police who obtained it. I think in some countries, not reporting crimes you know about could count as complicity.
- apetrov 7y ago
  unless you’re a lawyer and have a client-attorney privilege. same thing might apply here.
hermitdev 7y ago
Obligatory not a lawyer, but third party doctrine likely applies in the US, meaning that it would not be illegal for police to use such evidence if supplied by Apple. Not sure where the line is drawn if Apple itself violated it's own EULA, or violated local wire tapping laws, or if a service like Siri falls under such laws. I know California and Illinois are 2 party consent states. Not positive if it's only for phone calls or all voice recordings.

novok 7y ago

Thats the burn a forest to kill a few rabid dogs argument.

anigbrowl 7y ago

Your persistent trolling is becoming tiresome.

matt-attack 7y ago

As an aside, it’s highly ignorant to refer to pedophilia as a “crime”. Please be aware that pedophilia is not in fact a crime at all. It in fact refers to the attraction one had toward pre-pubescent children. Be aware that this is entirely different than being a child rapist. I assume you meant to say “child rapists” in your statement. In the same way it’s generally accepted that homosexuals and heterosexuals don’t choose their sexual identity, neither do pedophiles. One could say they’re “cursed” to be given that sexual preference they were born with. Since most are not both pedophiles and rapists, most are doomed to live a life of unfulfilled attraction. The majority of pedophiles recognize that rape is wrong and would never consider it. To equate pedophilia and rape is flawed as equating all neck-beards as obviously rapists (since presumably they’re so sexually repulsive they could never get a woman to agree to consensual sex). Obviously the majority of sexually repulsive males don’t just feel entitled to rape at will, neither do pedophiles.

dao- 7y ago
> One could say they’re “cursed” to be given that sexual preference they were born with. Were they, though? I did some light research for a university course many years ago and from what I understand/remember, many pedophiles were themselves abused in their childhood, which can really mess up a developing brain. Still cursed, just in a slightly different even more tragic way.
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- matt-attack 7y ago
  > Were they though? I suspect the propensity to rape is what is learned. I’d question whether the pure attraction is formed by the abuse you describe. We should recall those a decade ago, suggesting that homosexuality was a “disorder” needing to be cured. A disorder implying that it was caused by some incident. Clearly that line of thinking is outdated and offensive to many. Either way the source is of the attraction is moot. The fact is we live amongst pedophiles and there’s no reason they should be reviled.