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Here's an example of what you need for a Delaware C-corp: https://www.incnow.com/delaware-corporation/ https://www.incnow.com/delaware-corporation/ - Name of

Here's an example of what you need for a Delaware C-corp: https://www.incnow.com/delaware-corporation/ https://www.incnow.com/delaware-corporation/ - Name of the corporation - Name and address of the Registered Agent of the corporation (usually a mail forwarding service) - Statement of the type of business that the corporation will engage in - Number of shares of authorized stock that the corporation will issue - Par value of each share - Name and signature of the incorporator - Indemnification clause for breaches of Duty of Care - Allowance for Director Amended Bylaws ---------------------------- Library card, i.e., Mountain View, California: https://library.mountainview.gov/selfreg https://library.mountainview.gov/selfreg - (photo identification) - (address verification) - Last Name: * - First Name:* - Middle Name: - Street Address:* - City, State, & Zip:* - Phone number:* (XXX-XXX-XXXX) - Birthdate:* (MM-DD-YYYY) - Email address: * Required ---------------------------- Required by: Sections 214-216 PATRIOT Act of 2001 http://www.ala.org/advocacy/advleg/federallegislation/theusapatriotact http://www.ala.org/advocacy/advleg/federallegislation/theusa... https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/03162 https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/0316...

the_pwner224 7y ago
In Chicago the only requirements are a photo ID with address, or a letter with your name and address + an ID with your photo and name. Enough to comply with the anti-PATRIOTic act. But if that weren't the case, having your name/address/photo seems like a reasonable prerequisite for loaning you materials for free - the system would be very easy to abuse otherwise.
- johnpowell 7y ago
  They also want to know that you live in the area they serve since local taxes are paying for the library. I can get a library card in the town over. They just want 80 bucks a year for it.
elliekelly 7y ago
At first I thought, this makes no sense. Why would the Patriot Act care more about who's getting a library card than incorporating when the dirty money is obviously flowing through the entity? And then I realized, the government gets all of the ID information they need about the corporation the moment the entity needs to open a bank account. ID not just for the single corporator, but information about all of the officers and directors, and increasingly, about shareholders and major investors as well. From the government's perspective, it actually does make quite a bit more sense to gather more (and better) information through the banking system at a later time. It's low risk and the additional information is significantly more valuable.
- dfeojm-zlib 7y ago
  For the FBI, CIA, NSA and local police to investigate terrorism and other crimes (also to conduct parallel construction and CIA/NSA/FBI feed no-warrant intelligence gathering under "national security" and "terrorism" banners).
- mch82 7y ago
  Creating a corporation requires more than one form. https://revenue.delaware.gov/business-tax-forms/doing-business-in-delaware/step-2-requirements/ https://revenue.delaware.gov/business-tax-forms/doing-busine... Edit: Step 2 is Obtain a Federal Employer Identification Number (FEIN) from the IRS. I started clicking through that process. The 2nd question the IRS application asked is are the co-founders married. Definitely more information required :-)
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Why would the Patriot Act care more about who's getting a library card than incorporating when the dirty money is obviously flowing through the entity? Because the Patriot Act was about using terrorism as a pretext to shove through an authoritarian wishlist, much of which and previously been pushed unsuccessfully on other bases (rooting out Communism, the Drug War, etc.), rather than a rational focussed response to any real need.
  - dfeojm-zlib 7y ago
winter_blue 7y ago
> Required by: Sections 214-216 PATRIOT Act of 2001 I looked at these sections, and they do not require the states do anything, nor contain any sort of reference to library cards. Besides, I don't think they have the authority to order states to collect library users' information, and then compel them to divulge this information to federal authorities, in a blanket manner. There is a limited set of enumerated powers listed Constitution (and the Tenth Amendment restricts all power to these enumerated ones), and nothing in the Constitution grants the sort of authority that would allow such interference in state-owned state-run public libraries.
- duckMuppet 7y ago
  Although I agree with you, the constitution now is largely irrelevant. For the most part, it is generally ignored by all three branches, except for when one political group can club the other with it. And once they do it, It goes largely ignored until it can be weaponized again.
kej 7y ago
I feel like this comparison would be more accurate if you split up the address portion for both of them. The corporation is also going to require payment information which is going to tie into all the identification requirements of the banking system.
tinus_hn 7y ago
On the other hand, if a library card allows you to borrow books, it is a form of credit. It does make sense to keep track who you are extending credit to, right?
- deogeo 7y ago
  They could easily accept a cash deposit, and let you borrow books up to the value of that deposit. Perfectly anonymous.

the_pwner224 7y ago

In Chicago the only requirements are a photo ID with address, or a letter with your name and address + an ID with your photo and name. Enough to comply with the anti-PATRIOTic act. But if that weren't the case, having your name/address/photo seems like a reasonable prerequisite for loaning you materials for free - the system would be very easy to abuse otherwise.

johnpowell 7y ago
They also want to know that you live in the area they serve since local taxes are paying for the library. I can get a library card in the town over. They just want 80 bucks a year for it.

elliekelly 7y ago

At first I thought, this makes no sense. Why would the Patriot Act care more about who's getting a library card than incorporating when the dirty money is obviously flowing through the entity? And then I realized, the government gets all of the ID information they need about the corporation the moment the entity needs to open a bank account. ID not just for the single corporator, but information about all of the officers and directors, and increasingly, about shareholders and major investors as well. From the government's perspective, it actually does make quite a bit more sense to gather more (and better) information through the banking system at a later time. It's low risk and the additional information is significantly more valuable.

dfeojm-zlib 7y ago
For the FBI, CIA, NSA and local police to investigate terrorism and other crimes (also to conduct parallel construction and CIA/NSA/FBI feed no-warrant intelligence gathering under "national security" and "terrorism" banners).
mch82 7y ago
Creating a corporation requires more than one form. https://revenue.delaware.gov/business-tax-forms/doing-business-in-delaware/step-2-requirements/ https://revenue.delaware.gov/business-tax-forms/doing-busine... Edit: Step 2 is Obtain a Federal Employer Identification Number (FEIN) from the IRS. I started clicking through that process. The 2nd question the IRS application asked is are the co-founders married. Definitely more information required :-)
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Why would the Patriot Act care more about who's getting a library card than incorporating when the dirty money is obviously flowing through the entity? Because the Patriot Act was about using terrorism as a pretext to shove through an authoritarian wishlist, much of which and previously been pushed unsuccessfully on other bases (rooting out Communism, the Drug War, etc.), rather than a rational focussed response to any real need.
- dfeojm-zlib 7y ago

winter_blue 7y ago

> Required by: Sections 214-216 PATRIOT Act of 2001 I looked at these sections, and they do not require the states do anything, nor contain any sort of reference to library cards. Besides, I don't think they have the authority to order states to collect library users' information, and then compel them to divulge this information to federal authorities, in a blanket manner. There is a limited set of enumerated powers listed Constitution (and the Tenth Amendment restricts all power to these enumerated ones), and nothing in the Constitution grants the sort of authority that would allow such interference in state-owned state-run public libraries.

duckMuppet 7y ago
Although I agree with you, the constitution now is largely irrelevant. For the most part, it is generally ignored by all three branches, except for when one political group can club the other with it. And once they do it, It goes largely ignored until it can be weaponized again.

kej 7y ago

I feel like this comparison would be more accurate if you split up the address portion for both of them. The corporation is also going to require payment information which is going to tie into all the identification requirements of the banking system.

tinus_hn 7y ago

On the other hand, if a library card allows you to borrow books, it is a form of credit. It does make sense to keep track who you are extending credit to, right?

deogeo 7y ago
They could easily accept a cash deposit, and let you borrow books up to the value of that deposit. Perfectly anonymous.