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You claim the data does exist - but where did it come from? There has been no program to forcibly collect fingerprints of all EU citizens. There is some biometr

You claim the data does exist - but where did it come from? There has been no program to forcibly collect fingerprints of all EU citizens. There is some biometric data collected for Schengen passports, but not even close to all people even have a passport. And if you claim my biometric passport fingerprints are in that DB, you are claiming that the police in my country has performed a massive illegal data handover. If you have evidence of that, give it - heads will roll.

loopbit 7y ago
Maybe that data doesn't exist in your country. In mine, the police has the picture and fingerprints of everyone older than 12 years old and any younger person that needed an ID card for whatever reason, travelling being just one. Maybe that information has been shared with that database, maybe it hasn't. I have no way of knowing. Other EU countries have the same level of information about their citizens (and some record even more data). Can we simply agree that what the UK has done is bad, should be investigated and, if true, the people resposible should face charges for it? Or should we spend days arguing about what information might/might not have been copied and how many people have been afected?
- Symbiote 7y ago
  I'm downvoting all the comments about "my country" without saying which country that is. No useful discussion can result from comments like this.
  - loopbit 7y ago
    A bit late to the discussion, but does it really change that much if, instead of "my country", I say "Spain"? In this case Spain hasn't done anything wrong (the data gathering for the id cards was done before entering the EU and complies with EU's regulations[0]). Other EU countries gather less or more data according to their specific legislations. The country in question here is the UK and, to a lesser extent, the US. Specifics about other EU countries are, IMHO, irrelevant. [0] Another question, for a different discussion, is if they should record all that data.
miahi 7y ago
For most countries, biometric passport data is only stored inside the passport's chip and not in a (national or otherwise) database. It's to be used by border control (of other countries) to compare the person presenting the passport with the (signed) data.
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  For Romania, it is in a national database. Source: family member that is a high ranking policeman, he checked my records and there is more than I thought, having a perfectly clean criminal record.

loopbit 7y ago

Maybe that data doesn't exist in your country. In mine, the police has the picture and fingerprints of everyone older than 12 years old and any younger person that needed an ID card for whatever reason, travelling being just one. Maybe that information has been shared with that database, maybe it hasn't. I have no way of knowing. Other EU countries have the same level of information about their citizens (and some record even more data). Can we simply agree that what the UK has done is bad, should be investigated and, if true, the people resposible should face charges for it? Or should we spend days arguing about what information might/might not have been copied and how many people have been afected?

Symbiote 7y ago
I'm downvoting all the comments about "my country" without saying which country that is. No useful discussion can result from comments like this.
- loopbit 7y ago
  A bit late to the discussion, but does it really change that much if, instead of "my country", I say "Spain"? In this case Spain hasn't done anything wrong (the data gathering for the id cards was done before entering the EU and complies with EU's regulations[0]). Other EU countries gather less or more data according to their specific legislations. The country in question here is the UK and, to a lesser extent, the US. Specifics about other EU countries are, IMHO, irrelevant. [0] Another question, for a different discussion, is if they should record all that data.

miahi 7y ago

For most countries, biometric passport data is only stored inside the passport's chip and not in a (national or otherwise) database. It's to be used by border control (of other countries) to compare the person presenting the passport with the (signed) data.

AdrianB1 7y ago
For Romania, it is in a national database. Source: family member that is a high ranking policeman, he checked my records and there is more than I thought, having a perfectly clean criminal record.