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Many smart people have looked into that, danah boyd being the most insightful. It has little to do with the information or sway that companies actual have, or
by bertil 7y ago
Many smart people have looked into that, danah boyd being the most insightful.
It has little to do with the information or sway that companies actual have, or how much they mishandle it — no one cares about Experian or even darker data traders, few people worry about Amazon’s ability to dump and rake up prices, etc. Facebook resonates, no matter how faintly the actual issue relates to something the company does.
What makes Facebook unique is that you interact with other people in your close environment: family, school, often colleagues, all together. Twitter doesn’t have that: you are not following everyone you know, just people you share an interest with.
That is a recipe for constant context collapse. When I was working there, my cousin told me that she hated Facebook. I asked why: there were some obvious issues with several boys she was interested in, who noticed each other and acted like jealous teenagers. She glazed over that but somehow chose to point out that her mother wasn’t the best at staying away from the situation. Nothing new, but with Facebook, my cousin had lost her ability to have the mating dances away from her family. Another thing she hated was that I was posting status updates in English. I don’t talk to her in English, so she felt this was me acting “fake”. It’s not our native language but I have legitimate reasons to be legible by most of my friends.
Having a single context is problematic for many reasons: hegemony I think is the best angle — there’s an acceptable public face and not everyone likes it but employees over-index people who are comfortable. I see this as the main reason Groups and large Messenger chats have proven so successful: you can reclaim context.
Facebook is not the worst data-handler or has the most incriminating details, but it is the place where you have to deal with your racist uncle, so stories about Trump being elected there add up. It’s the place where your aunt discovered her son’s “roommate” was half-naked and covered in glitter during Pride, so arguments about “sharing private data, including your sexual orientation” resonate.
I’ve made that argument in HN before, I know many responders will argue “There are _really bad! What about _that_ scandal?” Yes, Facebook has made bad choices, reacted poorly to some, and yes they are patterns of dominant position and abuses thereof (which I argued in my PhD 15 years ago). Hell, I’ve made bad errors when I was working there. It’s a large platform so they are close to a lot of unsavoury things.
But the attention, the likelihood of an article being clicked on depending it the title reads “Tech companies, including Google, have exposed…” vs. “Tech companies, including Facebook have exposed…” isn’t commensurate to the reality of their bad decisions. I think everyone should be as outraged by all similar scandal, not less — but I think we should first try to understand why certain stories resonate and not others, and I strongly believe it’s proximity and relatability.
- mastazi 7y agoThank you, your points about social context are spot on in my opinion, I have those problems in my own circle of friends and acquaintances as well. I feel that those mostly apply to Facebook itself and not to the other services that Facebook owns, like Whatsapp and Instagram. It is interesting that much of the negative press coverage also ignores IG and Whatsapp and instead focuses on "Facebook proper" so you may be onto something. I remember Danah Boyd from reading a paper about the social differences between Fb and Myspace users, that must have been a few years ago :-)
- bertil 7y agoThere’s a lot of criticism on WhatsApp and Instagram. The most interesting are: - WhatsApp is used by conservative political parties (notably Mohdi in India) to promote non-representative, outrageous stories. Those spread in group chats, away from fact-checking. Reducing group maximum size should help slow down and allow media to counter-message before the message spreads too far. - Instagram is promoting a superficial, edited, material lifestyle. There’s good pushback from the company like reducing the visibility of Likes. I don’t think that either of those examples contradicts the general trend of issues with context collapse. danah boyd on MySpace vs. Facebook users, there were two main ones in 2007 [1] and 2010 [2]. [1] http://www.danah.org/papers/essays/ClassDivisions.html http://www.danah.org/papers/essays/ClassDivisions.html [2] http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2010/07/21/myspace-and-facebook-how-racist-language-frames-social-media-and-why-you-should-care.html http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2010/07/21/myspace...
- mastazi 7y agoThank you, yes I had heard both of those lines of criticism, I think that the solution of limiting group size on Whatsapp is going to be effective but I'm more sceptical about hiding the number of likes on IG. Thanks for the Danah Boyd links, the one I remember is the one from 2007, it's still an interesting read in my opinion!