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> They want to leave ? Good riddance. As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, t
by tomxor 7y ago
> They want to leave ? Good riddance.
As citizens at least, it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, one half definitely doesn't, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, some portion are not manipulated or naive but have settled on some narrow view of a very large and complex decision... and finally the minority (the small number of racists and xenophobes you inevitably get in any country who want to cut off the rest of the world and built walls or some shit).
We've been fucked over because we let the vulnerable portion of the other half get manipulated. The only valid vote was no, because the premise was entirely flawed... it's like having a referendum for "Do you want lower taxes" without saying exactly how, but "leave the EU" is even more complex not only in how but what that even means and what that affects which is so broad, it's like taking a huge list of very specific not necessarily related things putting them in a bag and then saying "you wana change this stuff in undefined ways" - fuck no, if you want to watch the world burn at least be up front about it.
- Zenst 7y agoYes the mindset of racist/xenophobes and small minded people often take a small outliner and project that upon the group as a whole. I feel you may be on the verge of an epiphany.
- _Understated_ 7y ago> it's pretty well understood that in majority we don't want to leave, the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media... What? There was a vote. A vote where everyone elligible had the chance to voice their opinion and the majority (albeit slim) said "we want out". As for the slur of being naieve and manipulated that's bullshit (from my standpoint anyway). You seem to be referring to people getting their news from social media... if that's their source then hell-mend them. Social media is an echo chamber. It's not designed for two-sided debates. WRT to the false claims: If anyone actually believes that a politician has their interests at heart then they're delusional. You seem to just be bitter that you (I assume) voted to stay in... I suppose you want another one until you get the result you would prefer!
- philbarr 7y agoOh yeah, absolutely all of the people who voted leave were completely rational. Like my father-in-law who voted leave so we can send all them Indians back home.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y agoAh yes, the common, people didn't vote my way, so they must be crazy/racist/stupid. People had their reasons for voting the way they did, and you show your ignorance and lack of perspective when you dismiss their views like that. Calling people racist doesn't make opposing views go away, especially when over half the people in the country have those views. edit: Keep up the downvotes, it doesn't change anything.
- rsynnott 7y agoSomeone who voted for brexit to ‘send the Indians home’ is clearly both racist (self-evident) and stupid (how would brexit do that?)
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y agoOne person's anecdote (that we don't know happened) doesn't represent half of a country's population. What't the GPs are doing are dismissing valid views from the other side by shouting racism. There's no proof or any real evidence provided that the other side is racist, just anecdotes.
- philbarr 7y agoNot all people who voted leave are racist, but all racists voted leave.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y agoSource?
- benj111 7y ago
- gadders 7y agoI disagree. I think the majority of the people want to leave, but sadly the majority of MPs don't. What you are seeing in the UK is a clash between the People and their MPs.
- yyyk 7y agoit's like having a referendum for "Do you want lower taxes" without saying exactly how There's no reasonable way to ask voters complex questions, which is why most countries have representative democracy and not a direct democracy. The only possible way to ask the voters those types of questions has to be a very simple choice, and than let government/parliament sort that out. As an external observer, it looks to me like its the UK political class which looks most ridiculous here, more than voters of either persuasion. Parliament has so far voted against all possible options for the UK (including another referendum), the equivalent of putting fingers in their ears. Nothing good can come from that, not until they say what they do want.
- cat199 7y agoso, you are saying: "clearly, those that disagree with me are misinformed and of lesser intellect" ? isn't that itself intellectual capitulation?
- mieseratte 7y ago> the other half are mostly a combination of naive, manipulated and coerced based on false claims and social media, Having not invested the time, just what kinds of manipulations are we talking?