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I'm totally with you. I wonder if UK should have left the EU even earlier and saved themselves and us a lot of hassle. I hope that the EU-friendly states might

I'm totally with you. I wonder if UK should have left the EU even earlier and saved themselves and us a lot of hassle. I hope that the EU-friendly states might join again, but I think they would need to break up the UK for that, don't they?

arethuza 7y ago
It could all get very messy - I think it is is highly likely that Scotland will want a second independence referendum as a major argument for staying in the union the last time was that it meant Scotland would stay in the EU. However, I also think the current government is also unlikely to allow a second referendum, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Government decided to have one anyway. Edit: To be clear: I mean messy legally/politically - not anything worse.
- toyg 7y ago
  Yeah, it’s going to be Catalunya all over again. Except Scotland is not a little province, and if the SNP is forced underground, stuff will start to blow up for real.
  - barry-cotter 7y ago
    Support for Scottish independence is greater in England than it is in Scotland. The U.K. isn’t Spain, the English are no more likely to keep the Scots in by force than the Canadians were going to keep Quebec in by force.
    - smcl 7y ago
      That's nonsense. Some English might claim indifference or scoff at the idea of an independent Scotland. In reality however the UK is more a part of their identity than it is ours - Scotland splitting away literally kills off the concept of the "UK". Force wouldn't even be needed however - Westminster can just brush off pleas for an independence referendum (they'll point towards the one we had a couple of years ago pre-Brexit ), there's no revolutionary movement and I really don't foresee one developing any time soon.
      - toyg 7y ago
        > there's no revolutionary movement ... yet. A few years of Westminster arbitrarily frustrating calls for independence, coupled with Brexit-induced hardships and a resurgence of sectarian violence in NI, could well radicalise the SNP into taking matters in their own hands.
        smcl 7y ago
        I would be surprised and disappointed if that sort of situation didn't cause any of the mainstream parties to start talking revolution
  - HenryBemis 7y ago
    Scotland has Oil. England has gone through so much trouble over so many centuries with murders, wars, manipulation, lies, propaganda, provocacia, and other dark methods to ensure that England will rule over the UK/GB, so Scotland and Northern Ireland (to leave UK/GB and rejoin it's natural/geographical state - Irelad) will have to try very hard for independence from England and towards EU. And it is a pity for this, especially after enjoying so many years of peace.
    - smcl 7y ago
      The earnings from north sea oil would be big for Scotland alone but are pretty miniscule spread over the UK as a whole
    - mnw21cam 7y ago
      I find it highly ironic to point out that it was actually Scotland that took over ruling England (James I and all that). It's not our fault he didn't like Edinburgh and decided to move down South.
  - alexgmcm 7y ago
    Catalunya isn't a little province either - in fact much of the issue is because it has a large amount of the GDP. I'm English but was living in Scotland at the time of the referendum there (I abstained) and having been living in Barcelona since (including the vote here). I'm not sure if independence would be good or not in either case (thus why I never voted) but I hope the UK Government never tries the sort of violent voter suppression I saw here.
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arethuza 7y ago

It could all get very messy - I think it is is highly likely that Scotland will want a second independence referendum as a major argument for staying in the union the last time was that it meant Scotland would stay in the EU. However, I also think the current government is also unlikely to allow a second referendum, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Government decided to have one anyway. Edit: To be clear: I mean messy legally/politically - not anything worse.

toyg 7y ago
Yeah, it’s going to be Catalunya all over again. Except Scotland is not a little province, and if the SNP is forced underground, stuff will start to blow up for real.
- barry-cotter 7y ago
  Support for Scottish independence is greater in England than it is in Scotland. The U.K. isn’t Spain, the English are no more likely to keep the Scots in by force than the Canadians were going to keep Quebec in by force.
  - smcl 7y ago
    That's nonsense. Some English might claim indifference or scoff at the idea of an independent Scotland. In reality however the UK is more a part of their identity than it is ours - Scotland splitting away literally kills off the concept of the "UK". Force wouldn't even be needed however - Westminster can just brush off pleas for an independence referendum (they'll point towards the one we had a couple of years ago pre-Brexit ), there's no revolutionary movement and I really don't foresee one developing any time soon.
    - toyg 7y ago
      > there's no revolutionary movement ... yet. A few years of Westminster arbitrarily frustrating calls for independence, coupled with Brexit-induced hardships and a resurgence of sectarian violence in NI, could well radicalise the SNP into taking matters in their own hands.
      - smcl 7y ago
        I would be surprised and disappointed if that sort of situation didn't cause any of the mainstream parties to start talking revolution
- HenryBemis 7y ago
  Scotland has Oil. England has gone through so much trouble over so many centuries with murders, wars, manipulation, lies, propaganda, provocacia, and other dark methods to ensure that England will rule over the UK/GB, so Scotland and Northern Ireland (to leave UK/GB and rejoin it's natural/geographical state - Irelad) will have to try very hard for independence from England and towards EU. And it is a pity for this, especially after enjoying so many years of peace.
  - smcl 7y ago
    The earnings from north sea oil would be big for Scotland alone but are pretty miniscule spread over the UK as a whole
  - mnw21cam 7y ago
    I find it highly ironic to point out that it was actually Scotland that took over ruling England (James I and all that). It's not our fault he didn't like Edinburgh and decided to move down South.
- alexgmcm 7y ago
  Catalunya isn't a little province either - in fact much of the issue is because it has a large amount of the GDP. I'm English but was living in Scotland at the time of the referendum there (I abstained) and having been living in Barcelona since (including the vote here). I'm not sure if independence would be good or not in either case (thus why I never voted) but I hope the UK Government never tries the sort of violent voter suppression I saw here.
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