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Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Not a lack of etiquette or the trivial please and thank-

Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Not a lack of etiquette or the trivial please and thank-you, those I can do without, you can still be sweary and abrupt and still considerate, I mean a fundamental selfishness. It seems to be bigger among younger people, 20s to 30s, and I will emphasize that it's uncommon and that the great majority of people at any age still behave very decently, but I can feel it.

zimpenfish 7y ago
> Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Well, when the elite are all shining exemplars of "fuck you, I got mine" with demonstrably no consequences for those actions, and TV is full of reality shows pushing the same message, people (especially the young) will pick up on that.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  No, this is different an may come from a very different source. I worked in the city and was expecting to meet spoilt brats in suits, well why not, they earn a fucking fortune some of them[0] they don't need to bother with manners. At a personal level I found them very decent and considerate, deeply and genuinely so. The problem in the city of scarfing up too much money seemed to me to be down to them just not understanding how much it hurt other people. They were born, if not wealthy then certainly nowhere near poor, so never understood what the stress of not knowing you can pay the rent does to you. I felt it to be an ignorance problem not an attitude problem. Though YMMV as americans say. [0] which mostly they didn't deserve. They were no more competent than the average man on the street and in fact considerably less so in some ways as they'd been 'poisoned' with abundant corporate money - they didn't understand you can get a lot done with moderate cash; they expected to throw cash at everything. It produced a very inefficient way of working, exactly the opposite of what the capitalist culture should have done. It made them stupid. It made it an incredibly frustrating place to work and I had to hand in my notice. I read somewhere that the designer of the original ARM cpu said his boss had given him 2 great gifts, no money and no staff. These were not gifts the square mil hands around easily. Edit: sorry, I realised how far I've wandered off-topic. Happy to delete if you wish.
J-dawg 7y ago
Damn, I've noticed it too. At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy. But your comment definitely rings true. It's something hard to pin down but I notice it all the time.
- DanBC 7y ago
  "I should have said, I'm the sort of person who likes to speak my mind. Yes, that's the thing about me I'm afraid, I don't really hold with political correctness, I mean when you think about it why should I have to filter what I say because someone else might not like my opinion? Now I just called a spade a spade." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMHBlt_CQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMHBlt_CQA
- coldpie 7y ago
  > At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy. It's this. Sorry to break it to you. People also change their behavior to you based on your age. As a single example, as you age and slow down, younger, faster folks will be more frequently annoyed with having to dodge past you on the sidewalk, which will predispose them to be more rude around you in general. It's a whole complicated host of things, and as you say, it's been true since the beginning of time.
ceejayoz 7y ago
This has been a perpetual complaint across human history. Every older generation thinks the younger generation is like this. https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20171003-proof-that-people-have-always-complained-about-young-adults https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20171003-proof-that-peo... > “We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.” - 1925
- JamesAdir 7y ago
  Nowhere in the article he mentioned it to be a "younger" generation problem. Actually I think it crosses ages.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    The comment I'm replying to stated "It seems to be bigger among younger people..."
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      Which I now regret saying as it seems to have been taken as a curmudgeonly dissing of 'yoof' in general. I never meant it thus. I was quite careful with my words, but not careful enough apparently.
edejong 7y ago
When I saw the politicians atrocious response to the Grenfell Tower disaster I was worried what that would do with the commoners behavior. I guess I have my answer.

zimpenfish 7y ago

> Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Well, when the elite are all shining exemplars of "fuck you, I got mine" with demonstrably no consequences for those actions, and TV is full of reality shows pushing the same message, people (especially the young) will pick up on that.

tempguy9999 7y ago
No, this is different an may come from a very different source. I worked in the city and was expecting to meet spoilt brats in suits, well why not, they earn a fucking fortune some of them[0] they don't need to bother with manners. At a personal level I found them very decent and considerate, deeply and genuinely so. The problem in the city of scarfing up too much money seemed to me to be down to them just not understanding how much it hurt other people. They were born, if not wealthy then certainly nowhere near poor, so never understood what the stress of not knowing you can pay the rent does to you. I felt it to be an ignorance problem not an attitude problem. Though YMMV as americans say. [0] which mostly they didn't deserve. They were no more competent than the average man on the street and in fact considerably less so in some ways as they'd been 'poisoned' with abundant corporate money - they didn't understand you can get a lot done with moderate cash; they expected to throw cash at everything. It produced a very inefficient way of working, exactly the opposite of what the capitalist culture should have done. It made them stupid. It made it an incredibly frustrating place to work and I had to hand in my notice. I read somewhere that the designer of the original ARM cpu said his boss had given him 2 great gifts, no money and no staff. These were not gifts the square mil hands around easily. Edit: sorry, I realised how far I've wandered off-topic. Happy to delete if you wish.

J-dawg 7y ago

Damn, I've noticed it too. At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy. But your comment definitely rings true. It's something hard to pin down but I notice it all the time.

DanBC 7y ago
"I should have said, I'm the sort of person who likes to speak my mind. Yes, that's the thing about me I'm afraid, I don't really hold with political correctness, I mean when you think about it why should I have to filter what I say because someone else might not like my opinion? Now I just called a spade a spade." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMHBlt_CQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMHBlt_CQA
coldpie 7y ago
> At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy. It's this. Sorry to break it to you. People also change their behavior to you based on your age. As a single example, as you age and slow down, younger, faster folks will be more frequently annoyed with having to dodge past you on the sidewalk, which will predispose them to be more rude around you in general. It's a whole complicated host of things, and as you say, it's been true since the beginning of time.

ceejayoz 7y ago

This has been a perpetual complaint across human history. Every older generation thinks the younger generation is like this. https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20171003-proof-that-people-have-always-complained-about-young-adults https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20171003-proof-that-peo... > “We defy anyone who goes about with his eyes open to deny that there is, as never before, an attitude on the part of young folk which is best described as grossly thoughtless, rude, and utterly selfish.” - 1925

JamesAdir 7y ago
Nowhere in the article he mentioned it to be a "younger" generation problem. Actually I think it crosses ages.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  The comment I'm replying to stated "It seems to be bigger among younger people..."
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    Which I now regret saying as it seems to have been taken as a curmudgeonly dissing of 'yoof' in general. I never meant it thus. I was quite careful with my words, but not careful enough apparently.

edejong 7y ago

When I saw the politicians atrocious response to the Grenfell Tower disaster I was worried what that would do with the commoners behavior. I guess I have my answer.