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Thank you GitHub, thank you Microsoft and thank you U.S. for all the love you bestow upon people.
by nournia 7y ago
Thank you GitHub, thank you Microsoft and thank you U.S. for all the love you bestow upon people.
- rimliu 7y agoNot thanks to Russia for the occupation?
- d33 7y agoHow is that relevant? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- gdy 7y agoThe US punishes with sanctions the population of occupied Crimea. Where is the logic in that?
- sjapkee 7y agoIt doesn't even occupied.
- Nasrudith 7y agoThe only illogic is that is not having Russia to a similar degree while doing so. The point of the sanctions is to give an extra cost to their ambitions and limit the growth in power of the targetted entries.
- gdy 7y agoWhy Russia's ambitions are less legitimate than American ones?
- ohithereyou 7y agoThe US is not morally or legally obligated to support or enable Russian ambitions and has the right, as a sovereign nation, to react to actions against their interest.
- gdy 7y agoWhat exactly is their interest in Crimea on the other side of the globe?
- PunchTornado 7y agoa large part of the Russian community in Crimea supported the annexation. I agree with the sanctions.
- gdy 7y agoI hope you don't mind being considered evil
- einpoklum 7y agoNope. That should have no bearing on people's GitHub accounts. Also, it was an annexation with somewhat-questionable merit rather than an occupation.
- jwieczorek 7y agoPlease, let's look at the facts. Here we have a case where the population of the territory in question would in no way describe this state of affairs as an occupation. They did vote in favour of Crimea becoming part of Russia and the international objections have to do with legal concerns, not the well-being of the population (with, at most, an exception of some Crimean Tatars, but they're a small minority). So, the U.S. are effectively punishing the people of Crimea for voting the way they did. Is that a good policy? I don't think so, it will only give boost to anti-Americanism. If it's about targetting the economy of Crimea as a whole, then I don't think that will work, since Russia has been subsidizing it the whole time at a grand scale, and Russia together with some European states will find a way around it (we have seen that with the Siemens turbines, for example). Moreover, moves like this will only give fuel to the project of building a sovereign Internet that the Russian government has been pushing forward.
- Sommer_Son 7y agoYes, let's look at the facts. Russia invaded Ukraine, broke into Crimean parliament and held illegal referendum _after_ that. So, sanctions were not because of the referendum, but because of invasion.
- jwieczorek 7y agoSure, and falsified all the votes? The Crimean parliament proclaimed sovereignty against their will and so was the Ukrainian navy chief forced to switch allegiance? When it comes to the reasons behind sanctions, there's no need to correct me, because I wrote just that: that the international reactions were a response to, in the words of the sanctioning countries, international law being violated (as if that had not happened before, see the Kosovo case), and namely the principle of territorial integrity. All I'm saying is that sanctions targetting the people who expressed their will in the referendum are counter-productive. If there were people left in Crimea, who still haven't made their mind up whose umbrella Crimea would be best off under (though comparing the mayhem state Crimea was left in after the Ukrainian rule and the investments going on there since 2014 – I doubt there are many), then acts like this will surely make them anti-American, not anti-Kremlin. This was my point. The legality of the Crimean referendum might be an interesting question for lawyers or political scientists (especially the double standards observed in the rhetoric of the US and its satellite states). Or for us, not living there. For the people who voted in the referendum and have seen their lives improve as a result of their vote – it just doesn't matter. And that's the reality some should accept, while rejecting it leads to sloppy analysis of issues like the one discussed in this very post.