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I am disgusted by these people. Absolutely revolted. I understand this is a subjective statement but something inside me recoils at these people,

speedplane 7y ago
> I am disgusted by these people. Absolutely revolted. I understand this is a subjective statement but something inside me recoils at these people, I understand how many can feel that way, but what if these photographers were genuinely interested in the underlying work. They did put in the effort to travel all the way to a farm to check it out. They took pictures of it in appreciation. Maybe they did not know how to properly respect the people and the place, maybe they should be taught rather than chastised.
- VvR-Ox 7y ago
  That sounds like a lame excuse - sorry. Every child knows that you don't do whatever you want on the grounds of other people, in their gardens and homes. Stop being jerks and just ask people politely if it's ok for them that you take a picture. Also I don't get how they all need a picture of the same place. In the end all they do is to deprive themselves from real happiness and the possibility to just enjoy the moment. Their POV changes in the moment they see the world through the lens of their cam and they don't even seem to get this.
  - speedplane 7y ago
    > That sounds like a lame excuse I didn't mean to excuse this behavior, what they are doing is certainly not good. My point is only that in their desire to photograph, there must be some level of appreciation for it, and it would be more productive to develop that appreciation than shut everything down. As a simple example, the next farmer that gets instagram-mobbed, rather than putting up a "No Trespassing" sign, could instead put up a sign at the front of the property asking visitors to "come to the porch, say hello, and learn about farming". Many of the people who trekked all the way out to a farm to photograph it, will likely take the extra few minutes to get a deeper understanding. The farmer will maintain (or improve) her dignity, and maybe the instagramer will learn something new. I'm just saying there are better potential solutions than mocking and distancing yourself from a group of people, you can bring yourself closer together.
    - VvR-Ox 7y ago
      Basically yes. But I would maybe like to be left alone on my beautiful farm without all the people visiting me. If I'd want to have so much company I'd have opened a store or museum I think. Where I come from we really had something that was called "privacy" and "intimacy" and when we were at our place it was given to us without struggle. When I think about massive tourism, satellites in LEO and drones above our heads I see this in decline without a real choice or possibility to avoid it from coming to my little farm. Of course I'd not want to have to put up signs or even technology to keep people, drones etc. off my grounds but I'd rather do that than being disturbed by strangers (or strange technology) every waking minute. It's not like one person comes over on a sunny Sunday to ask me about farming but the 1000 people who have the same idea that day or the couple who want's to shoot their love scene in my yard at midnight in the moon light while I just want to fall asleep with the sounds of the crickets and not some fuck-fest. Don't get me wrong here - I am very open minded. But I value my privacy etc. and I see it being taken away without me having a chance to decide/stop it/whatever. It's not the one person, but the mass of people who care more for their damn picture than respect for nature and people who happen to live there.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    > Also I don't get how they all need a picture of the same place. It's because they don't care about the place, they care that they've been there. This is a problem as old as photography; I remember watching tourists on my daily commute coming to the same spots, day in, day out, and shooting the exact same photos of the exact same buildings from the exact same angles. All I could think of is, "your exact photo is on Flickr already in 10 different copies, why are you doing this?!". The rise of social media (Instagram in particular) only made this worse.
    - pferde 7y ago
      My parents rationalize this by saying that they want to have something to reminisce about once they're too old to travel or even to move around without pains. On the other hand, the photos they take on their travels do not end up on any social media, but in a private collection on a family file server...
    - VvR-Ox 7y ago
      That's true. I think they are harming themselves by doing this because they can't really enjoy the moment and just "be" there. I rarely take pictures because I always think "there's already awesome pics of this on the net" and also when I'm back I don't want to overwhelm people who want to see them with a collection of "just 1000 photos of me in front of the Louvre". Of course I'd love to have a picture of me standing in front of Taj Mahal but in the end it's not so important. The pictures people haven't seen yet are much more interesting (to me), especially places where tourists don't want to be or perspectives they shouldn't see. E.g. the "Golden Beaches" in Bulgaria. Stay in the tourist zone and you'll have the typical beaches, hotels, bars etc. But the exciting part of the area is when you leave this "paradise" and see the massive destruction tourism, the hotel lobby etc. bring to nature and the people. Seeing these scenes changed my mind and I realized I'd never want to do "all inclusive" at the places where all people go again. I think people need more stable personalities so they can break out of their "hive-mind-thinking" and start sensing their environment and enjoying themselves without the constant feedback of "the hive". Behaviour like this reminds me of the Lemmings and the Borg.
  - eeeeeeeeeeeee 7y ago
    I don’t think permission is the main problem here, it’s the volume of people taking the exact same picture. I wouldn’t want a stream of Instagrammers at my door “asking for permission” to take a photo either. That’s also annoying.
    - VvR-Ox 7y ago
      +1 That's totally true and understandable. I feel exactly the same way.

speedplane 7y ago

> I am disgusted by these people. Absolutely revolted. I understand this is a subjective statement but something inside me recoils at these people, I understand how many can feel that way, but what if these photographers were genuinely interested in the underlying work. They did put in the effort to travel all the way to a farm to check it out. They took pictures of it in appreciation. Maybe they did not know how to properly respect the people and the place, maybe they should be taught rather than chastised.

VvR-Ox 7y ago
That sounds like a lame excuse - sorry. Every child knows that you don't do whatever you want on the grounds of other people, in their gardens and homes. Stop being jerks and just ask people politely if it's ok for them that you take a picture. Also I don't get how they all need a picture of the same place. In the end all they do is to deprive themselves from real happiness and the possibility to just enjoy the moment. Their POV changes in the moment they see the world through the lens of their cam and they don't even seem to get this.
- speedplane 7y ago
  > That sounds like a lame excuse I didn't mean to excuse this behavior, what they are doing is certainly not good. My point is only that in their desire to photograph, there must be some level of appreciation for it, and it would be more productive to develop that appreciation than shut everything down. As a simple example, the next farmer that gets instagram-mobbed, rather than putting up a "No Trespassing" sign, could instead put up a sign at the front of the property asking visitors to "come to the porch, say hello, and learn about farming". Many of the people who trekked all the way out to a farm to photograph it, will likely take the extra few minutes to get a deeper understanding. The farmer will maintain (or improve) her dignity, and maybe the instagramer will learn something new. I'm just saying there are better potential solutions than mocking and distancing yourself from a group of people, you can bring yourself closer together.
  - VvR-Ox 7y ago
    Basically yes. But I would maybe like to be left alone on my beautiful farm without all the people visiting me. If I'd want to have so much company I'd have opened a store or museum I think. Where I come from we really had something that was called "privacy" and "intimacy" and when we were at our place it was given to us without struggle. When I think about massive tourism, satellites in LEO and drones above our heads I see this in decline without a real choice or possibility to avoid it from coming to my little farm. Of course I'd not want to have to put up signs or even technology to keep people, drones etc. off my grounds but I'd rather do that than being disturbed by strangers (or strange technology) every waking minute. It's not like one person comes over on a sunny Sunday to ask me about farming but the 1000 people who have the same idea that day or the couple who want's to shoot their love scene in my yard at midnight in the moon light while I just want to fall asleep with the sounds of the crickets and not some fuck-fest. Don't get me wrong here - I am very open minded. But I value my privacy etc. and I see it being taken away without me having a chance to decide/stop it/whatever. It's not the one person, but the mass of people who care more for their damn picture than respect for nature and people who happen to live there.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  > Also I don't get how they all need a picture of the same place. It's because they don't care about the place, they care that they've been there. This is a problem as old as photography; I remember watching tourists on my daily commute coming to the same spots, day in, day out, and shooting the exact same photos of the exact same buildings from the exact same angles. All I could think of is, "your exact photo is on Flickr already in 10 different copies, why are you doing this?!". The rise of social media (Instagram in particular) only made this worse.
  - pferde 7y ago
    My parents rationalize this by saying that they want to have something to reminisce about once they're too old to travel or even to move around without pains. On the other hand, the photos they take on their travels do not end up on any social media, but in a private collection on a family file server...
  - VvR-Ox 7y ago
    That's true. I think they are harming themselves by doing this because they can't really enjoy the moment and just "be" there. I rarely take pictures because I always think "there's already awesome pics of this on the net" and also when I'm back I don't want to overwhelm people who want to see them with a collection of "just 1000 photos of me in front of the Louvre". Of course I'd love to have a picture of me standing in front of Taj Mahal but in the end it's not so important. The pictures people haven't seen yet are much more interesting (to me), especially places where tourists don't want to be or perspectives they shouldn't see. E.g. the "Golden Beaches" in Bulgaria. Stay in the tourist zone and you'll have the typical beaches, hotels, bars etc. But the exciting part of the area is when you leave this "paradise" and see the massive destruction tourism, the hotel lobby etc. bring to nature and the people. Seeing these scenes changed my mind and I realized I'd never want to do "all inclusive" at the places where all people go again. I think people need more stable personalities so they can break out of their "hive-mind-thinking" and start sensing their environment and enjoying themselves without the constant feedback of "the hive". Behaviour like this reminds me of the Lemmings and the Borg.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 7y ago
  I don’t think permission is the main problem here, it’s the volume of people taking the exact same picture. I wouldn’t want a stream of Instagrammers at my door “asking for permission” to take a photo either. That’s also annoying.
  - VvR-Ox 7y ago
    +1 That's totally true and understandable. I feel exactly the same way.