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Meanwhile I was absolutely thrilled they made this change. I can't count the number of times I realized WiFi was off because I had temporarily disabled it earli

Meanwhile I was absolutely thrilled they made this change. I can't count the number of times I realized WiFi was off because I had temporarily disabled it earlier as I stood just on the edge of my network's range and forgotten to re-enable it again.

hombre_fatal 7y ago
Now imagine everyone less tech savvy than us who doesn't know why their bluetooth headphones won't work. My family loves their iPhones but I don't think anyone knows how to swipe up from the bottom to check the control panel, much less what the bluetooth symbol is and how they should reenable it if their fat-finger disabled it one day. Or how to even troubleshoot that as a possibility. Calling it a "dark pattern" is a bit silly and dramatic. This simple feature saves users a bunch of headache. If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off.
- freeflight 7y ago
  > If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off. It's not really a great UI trade-off. It made the usability for a whole lot of users worse, all on the basis of other users forgetting what hardware they previously disabled/enabled. Now you are forcing everybody who doesn't want BT to be always on, to always deep-dive into the options if they still want to use it for a moment. Which is something that the quick menu originally was supposed to be there for. So overall it's pretty much a step back. Which is kinda sad, because there are more than one solutions to that which could have made everybody happy. Like giving a setting that defines the quick menu icons behavior (temporary vs permanent disable), or the ability to press to icons several times to at least toggle between temp/permanent disabled and on.

hombre_fatal 7y ago

Now imagine everyone less tech savvy than us who doesn't know why their bluetooth headphones won't work. My family loves their iPhones but I don't think anyone knows how to swipe up from the bottom to check the control panel, much less what the bluetooth symbol is and how they should reenable it if their fat-finger disabled it one day. Or how to even troubleshoot that as a possibility. Calling it a "dark pattern" is a bit silly and dramatic. This simple feature saves users a bunch of headache. If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off.

freeflight 7y ago
> If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off. It's not really a great UI trade-off. It made the usability for a whole lot of users worse, all on the basis of other users forgetting what hardware they previously disabled/enabled. Now you are forcing everybody who doesn't want BT to be always on, to always deep-dive into the options if they still want to use it for a moment. Which is something that the quick menu originally was supposed to be there for. So overall it's pretty much a step back. Which is kinda sad, because there are more than one solutions to that which could have made everybody happy. Like giving a setting that defines the quick menu icons behavior (temporary vs permanent disable), or the ability to press to icons several times to at least toggle between temp/permanent disabled and on.