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That sounds like a great thing to raise as an issue in an election. Lots of voters might care about that. However, we have a First Amendment, so it's not agains

That sounds like a great thing to raise as an issue in an election. Lots of voters might care about that. However, we have a First Amendment, so it's not against the law for anyone to talk to anyone else. That's the case whether it's some weird social media thing like those pictures of Bernie with big muscles or an actual true fact like that the DNC staff sent emails to each other discussing how they had screwed over Bernie. That is strictly legal, whether it is done by Russians or by the Citizens United dudes or by the actual Wikipedia source.

FuckButtons 7y ago
The first amendment does not protect the right of foreign nations to dispense propaganda. Indeed there are in fact provisions prohibiting foreign nations involving themselves in the election process in the US constitution.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  Try again, greenbean. The text is literally this: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. I don't see the words "foreign nations" in there anywhere? Why are you posting this falsehood under a new account?
  - dang 7y ago
    Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20538796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20538796.
zelon88 7y ago
The first amendment protects Russians, in Russia, who want to post misinformation on Facebook for the purpose of damaging our democracy? Are you hearing yourself? And your whataboutism with Democrats is completely irrelevant. Liberals are not unAmerican or unpatriotic. Liberals are not the enemy and neither is the press. You are now defending a foreign nation's act of war against the United States presumably because they support the same administrative agenda that you do. If the Bill of Rights protected foreign nationals, then the same document would give immigrants the rights they come knocking on our door for. If the Bill of Rights applied to Russia what is the GOPs beef with Hondurans? And there's another problem. You said... "or an actual true fact like...". It is a TRUE FACT that Russia meddled in our elections. The military agrees. The UN agrees. Even the Senate which is Republican controlled put out a report citing "extensive" Russian interference. Everyone agrees. Drop the QAnon/InfoWars shit. It's not news.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  Haha Qanon. That was hilarious the first time I heard this "talking point". I've never read nor heard a single thing produced by "Infowars". I get my news from actual journalists [0]. You might try that... I'm talking about right and wrong actions. You've responded by talking about right and wrong groups of people. That is a child's way of thinking. Maybe you've watched too many superhero movies? [0] https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/...
  - dang 7y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned here. We've had to warn you many times about breaking the site guidelines. That's dismaying, and if you keep doing it we'll have little choice but to ban you. So would you please review them and follow them when posting here? I realize it's not easy, but we need you to be scrupulous about it and contribute to preserving this community rather than wrecking it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't use HN for flamewar like this. Pretty much everywhere else on the internet is for that. We're explicitly trying to avoid it here, and we ban accounts that won't stop doing it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

FuckButtons 7y ago

The first amendment does not protect the right of foreign nations to dispense propaganda. Indeed there are in fact provisions prohibiting foreign nations involving themselves in the election process in the US constitution.

jessaustin 7y ago
Try again, greenbean. The text is literally this: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. I don't see the words "foreign nations" in there anywhere? Why are you posting this falsehood under a new account?
- dang 7y ago
  Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20538796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20538796.

zelon88 7y ago

The first amendment protects Russians, in Russia, who want to post misinformation on Facebook for the purpose of damaging our democracy? Are you hearing yourself? And your whataboutism with Democrats is completely irrelevant. Liberals are not unAmerican or unpatriotic. Liberals are not the enemy and neither is the press. You are now defending a foreign nation's act of war against the United States presumably because they support the same administrative agenda that you do. If the Bill of Rights protected foreign nationals, then the same document would give immigrants the rights they come knocking on our door for. If the Bill of Rights applied to Russia what is the GOPs beef with Hondurans? And there's another problem. You said... "or an actual true fact like...". It is a TRUE FACT that Russia meddled in our elections. The military agrees. The UN agrees. Even the Senate which is Republican controlled put out a report citing "extensive" Russian interference. Everyone agrees. Drop the QAnon/InfoWars shit. It's not news.

jessaustin 7y ago
Haha Qanon. That was hilarious the first time I heard this "talking point". I've never read nor heard a single thing produced by "Infowars". I get my news from actual journalists [0]. You might try that... I'm talking about right and wrong actions. You've responded by talking about right and wrong groups of people. That is a child's way of thinking. Maybe you've watched too many superhero movies? [0] https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/...
- dang 7y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. We've had to warn you many times about breaking the site guidelines. That's dismaying, and if you keep doing it we'll have little choice but to ban you. So would you please review them and follow them when posting here? I realize it's not easy, but we need you to be scrupulous about it and contribute to preserving this community rather than wrecking it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 7y ago
Please don't use HN for flamewar like this. Pretty much everywhere else on the internet is for that. We're explicitly trying to avoid it here, and we ban accounts that won't stop doing it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html