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WSL is fair, MSYS2 isn't. That's why I took out MSYS2 as I was revising my comment. The timings I have now are just WSL and plain, native Windows. And the numb

WSL is fair, MSYS2 isn't. That's why I took out MSYS2 as I was revising my comment. The timings I have now are just WSL and plain, native Windows. And the number of interpreters you spawn isn't a function of cores either. It depends entirely what you're doing, and nobody was talking about parallel execution. If you run a bunch of Python scripts in sequence you'll multiply the startup overhead... I guess we'll just have to disagree on 10ms being ridiculous for a program that does nothing. To me it is. And half a second is orders of magnitude more so. P.S. All of this is my timing on a pretty darn fast CPU. Try running on a more typical laptop CPU, switching to battery, and you'll get even worse timing.

earenndil 7y ago
If you're running a bunch of scripts in sequence, you should have a single interpreter state you use for running all of them. I would do that even if startup were effectively free. And yeah, I have only a crappy laptop and your benchmark takes more like 50ms/spawn for me. Which I still think is reasonable because there's no reason to make a new interpreter state for ever script.
- mehrdadn 7y ago
  Your question was "how is Python slow?" where you were apparently arguing over the slowness of standalone Python. For an embedded application, of course you'd try to keep the interpreter state if it's possible. Sometimes you can't because of global state changes; sometimes you can. And sometimes, even with a single interpreter, the rest of the C++ program is fast enough that the embedded Python initialization time would dominate its running time, rendering the standalone vs. embedded distinction moot. In any case... all you're doing is amortizing slow startup cost over the lifetime of the program. The startup is still slow. You were wondering "how" the startup is slow, so I wrote you benchmarks and ran them to illustrate. If what you really wanted to argue was that startup time is irrelevant, maybe you should say that instead of asking "how is startup slow" and making me spend my time writing a benchmark for something you don't care about.

earenndil 7y ago

If you're running a bunch of scripts in sequence, you should have a single interpreter state you use for running all of them. I would do that even if startup were effectively free. And yeah, I have only a crappy laptop and your benchmark takes more like 50ms/spawn for me. Which I still think is reasonable because there's no reason to make a new interpreter state for ever script.

mehrdadn 7y ago
Your question was "how is Python slow?" where you were apparently arguing over the slowness of standalone Python. For an embedded application, of course you'd try to keep the interpreter state if it's possible. Sometimes you can't because of global state changes; sometimes you can. And sometimes, even with a single interpreter, the rest of the C++ program is fast enough that the embedded Python initialization time would dominate its running time, rendering the standalone vs. embedded distinction moot. In any case... all you're doing is amortizing slow startup cost over the lifetime of the program. The startup is still slow. You were wondering "how" the startup is slow, so I wrote you benchmarks and ran them to illustrate. If what you really wanted to argue was that startup time is irrelevant, maybe you should say that instead of asking "how is startup slow" and making me spend my time writing a benchmark for something you don't care about.