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Google does not curate web results, ever. The results for [pelosi drunk] are different certainly, but in what sense are DDG's better? Google has a policy about

Google does not curate web results, ever. The results for [pelosi drunk] are different certainly, but in what sense are DDG's better? Google has a policy about "sensitive and disparaging terms associated with named individuals" in autocomplete https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/7368877?hl=en https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/7368877?hl=en which is often why you sometimes may not see the queries in autocomplete that you expect. It also has a policy about "violent or gory predictions" so it wouldn't surprise me if you aren't seeing autocomplete suggesting the Christchurch video, if that's what you mean.

oska 7y ago
> Google does not curate web results, ever. Where is the transparency or independent third party oversight to back up this statement? Or do we just have to take it on faith?
bhk 7y ago
I'm sure search results are not curated in the sense that a stock answer is provided for a given query, but I would expect that filtering and ranking of search results involves lists that are curated -- for example, "offensive" words or "disparaging terms", etc.. Since you work on search at Google, maybe you could explain how typing "hillary clinton cri" stopped suggesting the common search term "hillary clinton crimes" and instead suggested "hillary clinton criminal reform". https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=hillary%20clinton%20crimes,hillary%20clinton%20criminal%20reform https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... Apparently "crimes" a disparaging term when associated with "hillary clinton", but not when associated with, say, "jared kushner"?
- moultano 7y ago
  Isn't it explained by the policy I just linked? "Jared kushner cr" yields [jared kushner credentials] as a suggestion for me.
  - bhk 7y ago
    "cri", not "cr". I have two different devices that give different results; one lists "jared kushner crimes". Since it isn't a matter of a single word (crimes) being flagged as disparaging, this blacklist can apparently be finely tuned to specific prediction results. (Maybe it's not a simple blacklist, but an ML model. Even scarier.)
    - moultano 7y ago
      I see: [jared kushner criticism] [jared kushner cries in closet] [jared kushner's father crime] and so forth. Are you sure you aren't seeing your own search history as the suggestion? Another possibility is that you're seeing "... crimes" instead of the whole query? That can happen when the system isn't able to suggest a full query and starts suggesting individual word completions.
      - bhk 7y ago
        Do you really think that it simply excludes predictions with the word "crimes"? Yes, I was seeing "... crimes" when typing for "jared kushner cri". But with other names it shows a complete prediction: "julian assange cri" --> "julian assange crimes" "jeffrey epstein cr" --> "jeffrey epstein crimes"
        moultano 7y ago
        I don't know all the details of how that system works, I don't work on it, but surely you'd agree that they're both more appropriate suggestions, as both of them have been indicted. I don't get "trump crimes" for "trump cri" either.
        bhk 7y ago
        I agree they are more appropriate. Surely you'd agree there's a lot of room for bias to manifest in a system like this.
changchuming 7y ago
I think he's talking about actual links to the Christchurch video. They exist, and I'm pretty sure that's what most people who search terms such as "Christchurch video stream" are looking for. I don't think I can believe that Google doesn't censor or re-rank certain "flagged" search results, that just doesn't the smell test.
- moultano 7y ago
  There are a few situations where Google will remove urls listed here https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2744324 https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2744324 as well as for spam.

oska 7y ago

> Google does not curate web results, ever. Where is the transparency or independent third party oversight to back up this statement? Or do we just have to take it on faith?

bhk 7y ago

I'm sure search results are not curated in the sense that a stock answer is provided for a given query, but I would expect that filtering and ranking of search results involves lists that are curated -- for example, "offensive" words or "disparaging terms", etc.. Since you work on search at Google, maybe you could explain how typing "hillary clinton cri" stopped suggesting the common search term "hillary clinton crimes" and instead suggested "hillary clinton criminal reform". https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=hillary%20clinton%20crimes,hillary%20clinton%20criminal%20reform https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... Apparently "crimes" a disparaging term when associated with "hillary clinton", but not when associated with, say, "jared kushner"?

moultano 7y ago
Isn't it explained by the policy I just linked? "Jared kushner cr" yields [jared kushner credentials] as a suggestion for me.
- bhk 7y ago
  "cri", not "cr". I have two different devices that give different results; one lists "jared kushner crimes". Since it isn't a matter of a single word (crimes) being flagged as disparaging, this blacklist can apparently be finely tuned to specific prediction results. (Maybe it's not a simple blacklist, but an ML model. Even scarier.)
  - moultano 7y ago
    I see: [jared kushner criticism] [jared kushner cries in closet] [jared kushner's father crime] and so forth. Are you sure you aren't seeing your own search history as the suggestion? Another possibility is that you're seeing "... crimes" instead of the whole query? That can happen when the system isn't able to suggest a full query and starts suggesting individual word completions.
    - bhk 7y ago
      Do you really think that it simply excludes predictions with the word "crimes"? Yes, I was seeing "... crimes" when typing for "jared kushner cri". But with other names it shows a complete prediction: "julian assange cri" --> "julian assange crimes" "jeffrey epstein cr" --> "jeffrey epstein crimes"
      - moultano 7y ago
        I don't know all the details of how that system works, I don't work on it, but surely you'd agree that they're both more appropriate suggestions, as both of them have been indicted. I don't get "trump crimes" for "trump cri" either.
        bhk 7y ago
        I agree they are more appropriate. Surely you'd agree there's a lot of room for bias to manifest in a system like this.

changchuming 7y ago

I think he's talking about actual links to the Christchurch video. They exist, and I'm pretty sure that's what most people who search terms such as "Christchurch video stream" are looking for. I don't think I can believe that Google doesn't censor or re-rank certain "flagged" search results, that just doesn't the smell test.

moultano 7y ago
There are a few situations where Google will remove urls listed here https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2744324 https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2744324 as well as for spam.