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Gotta love the dark pattern. I remember when they made the change, I was pretty frustrated with that.

millstone 7y ago
"Dark pattern" seems too strong. Apple doesn't benefit from your turning Bluetooth on and isn't trying to manipulate you into doing so. It's fixing the annoying issue of today's AirPods failing because of something I did yesterday afternoon which I forgot.
- m463 7y ago
  Apple does benefit from turning bluetooth on. Your phone will locate and report bluetooth ibeacons, and allow apple to update their crowdsourced location databases. The same thing with wifi (which has the same behavior in control panel) It would have been SO SIMPLE to have a nicer pattern. short press to disconnect, long press to turn off.
  - ilikehurdles 7y ago
    >It would have been SO SIMPLE to have a nicer pattern. short press to disconnect, long press to turn off. Indeed, this is exactly what I expected would happen when I long pressed and I was disappointed when it didn’t. There are definitely times like this when Apple’s UX gets more credit than it deserves.
- newscracker 7y ago
  Apple could have made that a three way toggle, or even made turning off Bluetooth permanently through a 3DTouch action or haptic long press action. Many people provided feedback on this when iOS 11 was released. Apple has not shown any willingness to solve this for Bluetooth or WiFi (both toggles in Control Center work the same way).
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- freeflight 7y ago
  I mean, iPhone's have a somewhat checkered history with their batteries failing. Which is one of the reasons why I'd always leave Bluetooth/WiFi off by default, and only turned them on when I actually need them: Cut way down on the battery draw. That option is now gone, instead the default has become "everything is always on", drawing on the battery, thus forcing you to recharge more often, cutting down on the lifespan of your battery. Not saying that was Apple's plan all along, but it's one of the outcomes of this pointless change. When the solution to this could be as simple as "double-tapping the icon will turn it off permanently, tapping once temporary".
  - danaris 7y ago
    > That option is now gone, ....No, it's really not. You can still turn WiFi and Bluetooth off (really off) from the Settings app, and they will stay off until you turn them back on. You can even turn them back on from Control Center.
eridius 7y ago
Meanwhile I was absolutely thrilled they made this change. I can't count the number of times I realized WiFi was off because I had temporarily disabled it earlier as I stood just on the edge of my network's range and forgotten to re-enable it again.
- hombre_fatal 7y ago
  Now imagine everyone less tech savvy than us who doesn't know why their bluetooth headphones won't work. My family loves their iPhones but I don't think anyone knows how to swipe up from the bottom to check the control panel, much less what the bluetooth symbol is and how they should reenable it if their fat-finger disabled it one day. Or how to even troubleshoot that as a possibility. Calling it a "dark pattern" is a bit silly and dramatic. This simple feature saves users a bunch of headache. If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off.
  - freeflight 7y ago
    > If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off. It's not really a great UI trade-off. It made the usability for a whole lot of users worse, all on the basis of other users forgetting what hardware they previously disabled/enabled. Now you are forcing everybody who doesn't want BT to be always on, to always deep-dive into the options if they still want to use it for a moment. Which is something that the quick menu originally was supposed to be there for. So overall it's pretty much a step back. Which is kinda sad, because there are more than one solutions to that which could have made everybody happy. Like giving a setting that defines the quick menu icons behavior (temporary vs permanent disable), or the ability to press to icons several times to at least toggle between temp/permanent disabled and on.

"Dark pattern" seems too strong. Apple doesn't benefit from your turning Bluetooth on and isn't trying to manipulate you into doing so. It's fixing the annoying issue of today's AirPods failing because of something I did yesterday afternoon which I forgot.

m463 7y ago
Apple does benefit from turning bluetooth on. Your phone will locate and report bluetooth ibeacons, and allow apple to update their crowdsourced location databases. The same thing with wifi (which has the same behavior in control panel) It would have been SO SIMPLE to have a nicer pattern. short press to disconnect, long press to turn off.
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  >It would have been SO SIMPLE to have a nicer pattern. short press to disconnect, long press to turn off. Indeed, this is exactly what I expected would happen when I long pressed and I was disappointed when it didn’t. There are definitely times like this when Apple’s UX gets more credit than it deserves.
newscracker 7y ago
Apple could have made that a three way toggle, or even made turning off Bluetooth permanently through a 3DTouch action or haptic long press action. Many people provided feedback on this when iOS 11 was released. Apple has not shown any willingness to solve this for Bluetooth or WiFi (both toggles in Control Center work the same way).
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freeflight 7y ago
I mean, iPhone's have a somewhat checkered history with their batteries failing. Which is one of the reasons why I'd always leave Bluetooth/WiFi off by default, and only turned them on when I actually need them: Cut way down on the battery draw. That option is now gone, instead the default has become "everything is always on", drawing on the battery, thus forcing you to recharge more often, cutting down on the lifespan of your battery. Not saying that was Apple's plan all along, but it's one of the outcomes of this pointless change. When the solution to this could be as simple as "double-tapping the icon will turn it off permanently, tapping once temporary".
- danaris 7y ago
  > That option is now gone, ....No, it's really not. You can still turn WiFi and Bluetooth off (really off) from the Settings app, and they will stay off until you turn them back on. You can even turn them back on from Control Center.

eridius 7y ago

Meanwhile I was absolutely thrilled they made this change. I can't count the number of times I realized WiFi was off because I had temporarily disabled it earlier as I stood just on the edge of my network's range and forgotten to re-enable it again.

hombre_fatal 7y ago
Now imagine everyone less tech savvy than us who doesn't know why their bluetooth headphones won't work. My family loves their iPhones but I don't think anyone knows how to swipe up from the bottom to check the control panel, much less what the bluetooth symbol is and how they should reenable it if their fat-finger disabled it one day. Or how to even troubleshoot that as a possibility. Calling it a "dark pattern" is a bit silly and dramatic. This simple feature saves users a bunch of headache. If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off.
- freeflight 7y ago
  > If you want to perma-disable bluetooth, you can toggle it off from the phone options instead of the quick menu. It's a great UI trade-off. It's not really a great UI trade-off. It made the usability for a whole lot of users worse, all on the basis of other users forgetting what hardware they previously disabled/enabled. Now you are forcing everybody who doesn't want BT to be always on, to always deep-dive into the options if they still want to use it for a moment. Which is something that the quick menu originally was supposed to be there for. So overall it's pretty much a step back. Which is kinda sad, because there are more than one solutions to that which could have made everybody happy. Like giving a setting that defines the quick menu icons behavior (temporary vs permanent disable), or the ability to press to icons several times to at least toggle between temp/permanent disabled and on.