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It's akin to a fidget spinner if you ask me, barely worth 60$ itself. I've been making music for 20 years and this looks like a glorified (though pretty basic

It's akin to a fidget spinner if you ask me, barely worth 60$ itself. I've been making music for 20 years and this looks like a glorified (though pretty basic) calculator modified to play notes. Real meaningful music compositions can't be created with it, and I doubt it's going to replace keyboards in studios. Just imagine a studio engineer hooking that tiny POC up to a professional mixing desk for a few bleeps?... :/ If anything is evolving in terms of creating grammy award level music it's probably going to be software on laptops and iPads first. I'm still waiting for DJ culture to change 8 years after this video was made - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZaZndMOzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZaZndMOzw Not many impressive things have come to the music world since VST (software) synths, beatport, and Serato began to rise (Serato is still terrible BTW), but the music industry needs a lot more innovation injected into it.

pacomerh 7y ago
This device doesn't have to do it all right?, it does actually give inspiration to people to create different sounds to complement a larger setup, or not, I have seen people make great meaningful music with no expensive equipment at all. Also, very important, making electronic music does not imply it's part of a DJ Culture. It can be, but not necessarily.
core-questions 7y ago
> I'm still waiting for DJ culture to change 8 years after this video was made - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZaZndMOzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZaZndMOzw Dude, I was using Virtual DJ (which became AtomixMP3, and then Atomix Virtual DJ) literally 20 years ago. Got grandfathered into an amazing license that gives me free upgrades for life... There's not really much new since then. Oh, sure, more effect plugins (gimmicks), better sound quality and stretching, better looping, but overall it's the same damn thing with slight improvements now and again. The problem is not the tools, or even necessarily the interface; the problem is thinking that DJ culture is going to "change". See, you've got your technically talented DJs, and you've got your just-hit-play-and-dance DJs, and ultimately 99% of the people in the crowd cannot tell the difference. Success for the DJ themselves is based on networking and promotion, not the actual music; trendsetting / tastemaking is largely independent of what's actually being produced. Otherwise, would such bland music _still_ be their stock in trade? People want to dance, give them what they want. Hoping for better in this industry is kinda pointless.
- mntmoss 7y ago
  Another way to think about it is that the contemporary dance sound is determined by whatever the hot gear is, and not by the artists using it(because they are disposable figureheads). And the gear market itself, well, it's also looking out for number one here. Most of what one needs for any traditional music style - and hence, caters to all the session players that provide the real technical skills - is covered by the big manufacturers with a workstation keyboard or equivalent multi-gigabyte sample library. The remainder has to exist on being a "cool toy", and there are a lot of ways to be a cool toy, but most of them involve providing a lot of presets so that DJs that do not know what a "major chord" or a "filter cutoff" is can still sound like heroes. Alternately, the cool toy can replicate a grody 40-year-old analog signal path so that anyone who lusts after yesteryear's gear can have the same sound without the space or costs involved in having the real equipment. Among those three markets, space for defining really new sounds and styles in the form of a product is limited, but it does keep happening year-over-year.

pacomerh 7y ago

This device doesn't have to do it all right?, it does actually give inspiration to people to create different sounds to complement a larger setup, or not, I have seen people make great meaningful music with no expensive equipment at all. Also, very important, making electronic music does not imply it's part of a DJ Culture. It can be, but not necessarily.

core-questions 7y ago

> I'm still waiting for DJ culture to change 8 years after this video was made - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZaZndMOzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZaZndMOzw Dude, I was using Virtual DJ (which became AtomixMP3, and then Atomix Virtual DJ) literally 20 years ago. Got grandfathered into an amazing license that gives me free upgrades for life... There's not really much new since then. Oh, sure, more effect plugins (gimmicks), better sound quality and stretching, better looping, but overall it's the same damn thing with slight improvements now and again. The problem is not the tools, or even necessarily the interface; the problem is thinking that DJ culture is going to "change". See, you've got your technically talented DJs, and you've got your just-hit-play-and-dance DJs, and ultimately 99% of the people in the crowd cannot tell the difference. Success for the DJ themselves is based on networking and promotion, not the actual music; trendsetting / tastemaking is largely independent of what's actually being produced. Otherwise, would such bland music _still_ be their stock in trade? People want to dance, give them what they want. Hoping for better in this industry is kinda pointless.

mntmoss 7y ago
Another way to think about it is that the contemporary dance sound is determined by whatever the hot gear is, and not by the artists using it(because they are disposable figureheads). And the gear market itself, well, it's also looking out for number one here. Most of what one needs for any traditional music style - and hence, caters to all the session players that provide the real technical skills - is covered by the big manufacturers with a workstation keyboard or equivalent multi-gigabyte sample library. The remainder has to exist on being a "cool toy", and there are a lot of ways to be a cool toy, but most of them involve providing a lot of presets so that DJs that do not know what a "major chord" or a "filter cutoff" is can still sound like heroes. Alternately, the cool toy can replicate a grody 40-year-old analog signal path so that anyone who lusts after yesteryear's gear can have the same sound without the space or costs involved in having the real equipment. Among those three markets, space for defining really new sounds and styles in the form of a product is limited, but it does keep happening year-over-year.