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Sure sounds like the "8x8" recommendation (why not just say "half a gallon" or "2 liters"?) is actually a reasonable lower bound for what people should be drink

Sure sounds like the "8x8" recommendation (why not just say "half a gallon" or "2 liters"?) is actually a reasonable lower bound for what people should be drinking then.

vernie 7y ago
What kind of psycho drinks water by the 8 fl. oz. glass?
- gambiting 7y ago
  I had to look up what 8 fl oz is in a sane unit(236ml), and that seems perfectly normal to me - pretty much all glasses that you can buy here are 250ml. If you buy a 330ml can of coke you can usually pour most of it in with some left for a top-up.
  - OJFord 7y ago
    I wouldn't call anyone a 'psycho' for not adhering, but personally I'd typically pour a pint (568ml) of water, at home. Of course, at any restaurant glasses given with water for the table are going to be somewhere much nearer your 236ml, so there's really nothing psychotic about it.
    - blaser-waffle 7y ago
      > Of course, at any restaurant glasses given with water for the table are going to be somewhere much nearer your 236ml, so there's really nothing psychotic about it. Bingo. It's not hard to sip on a average sized glass of water during a meal. I routinely kill a 750ml water bottle at the gym or when hiking.
ars 7y ago
Except it's well known that that is way too much water unless you are sweating a lot. If you drink that much, you'll just pee a lot, it won't actually do anything useful. Since the article got something so basic wrong (and if it was intentional you would think they would mention that the numbers were similar), I decided to stop reading the article at that point, I don't need incorrect information. Maybe it's an editing mistake? The actual amount of water you need varies by exertion, and diet and all sorts of things, it's not a fixed amount.
- futureastronaut 7y ago
  Yes agreed, it's not helpful to search for a constant consumption requirement. A healthy and sedentary person, with a reasonable diet, on a cold, gray, damp day, does not need to consume much water.
- UI_at_80x24 7y ago
  >The actual amount of water you need varies by exertion, and diet and all sorts of things, it's not a fixed amount. I completely agree with this statement. >If you drink that much, you'll just pee a lot, it won't actually do anything useful. I drink on average 6L of water a day. When I first started water-only fasting I was urinating constantly. I discovered that this was because I would drink a lot in one sitting, (as a 'meal' replica) and then interspersed throughout the day. Once I changed my consumption style to ~150mL frequently I found that my body used the water better. Once it realized that a "constant supply" was readily available (and didn't need to worry about feast/famine cycles) I retained what I needed and more casually urinated the processed water. My body can better manage itself when I drink 150ml 40x a day then it can manage 1L 6x a day.
  - jjeaff 7y ago
    If the body was previously worried about "feast/famine" of water before, wouldn't it retain water rather than pee it all out?
    - ars 7y ago
      The body doesn't really have any way to retain [liquid] water without causing medical issues. There's no storage compartment except for fat that could be metabolized into water. You can also store water, for a short time, mixed into fiber in food that was recently eaten.
      - OJFord 7y ago
        But drunk more gradually thorugh the day, it is able to be 'retained'? Asking in good faith, taken independently each of your comments make perfect sense to me!
Finnucane 7y ago
What people often take away from that is that they should drink eight glasses of water _in addition to_ everything else they might consume--soda, juice, coffee, and anything else that has water in it. And they think there's a rule they need to adhere to, and not trust the fact that our bodies are actually pretty good at letting us know when we need water.
- codesushi42 7y ago
  >soda, juice, coffee Don't consume these. They have the opposite effect of dehydrating you.
  - F-0X 7y ago
    If these have a dehydrating effect, it will be (literally) drowned out by the amount of water consumed. It will be a vast net-positive.
    - codesushi42 7y ago
      I guess you use the same logic when drinking sea water. Sugar and caffeine will dehydrate you. You'll be driven to drink more water to compensate. Vote me down, obese soda patrons.
      - F-0X 7y ago
        Sea water is very salty, and will box your kidneys in. It's not the same at all.
        codesushi42 7y ago
        Not what I was getting at, at all. The sodium content will make you drink more water to compensate.
      - oarabbus_ 7y ago
        You're misinformed. Caffeine does not dehydrate those who consume it regularly. Sugar can dehydrate you if you are diabetic or have other blood sugar regulation issues. You're playing straw man games.

Sure sounds like the "8x8" recommendation (why not just say "half a gallon" or "2 liters"?) is actually a reasonable lower bound for what people should be drinking then.

vernie 7y ago

What kind of psycho drinks water by the 8 fl. oz. glass?

gambiting 7y ago
I had to look up what 8 fl oz is in a sane unit(236ml), and that seems perfectly normal to me - pretty much all glasses that you can buy here are 250ml. If you buy a 330ml can of coke you can usually pour most of it in with some left for a top-up.
- OJFord 7y ago
  I wouldn't call anyone a 'psycho' for not adhering, but personally I'd typically pour a pint (568ml) of water, at home. Of course, at any restaurant glasses given with water for the table are going to be somewhere much nearer your 236ml, so there's really nothing psychotic about it.
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    > Of course, at any restaurant glasses given with water for the table are going to be somewhere much nearer your 236ml, so there's really nothing psychotic about it. Bingo. It's not hard to sip on a average sized glass of water during a meal. I routinely kill a 750ml water bottle at the gym or when hiking.

ars 7y ago

Except it's well known that that is way too much water unless you are sweating a lot. If you drink that much, you'll just pee a lot, it won't actually do anything useful. Since the article got something so basic wrong (and if it was intentional you would think they would mention that the numbers were similar), I decided to stop reading the article at that point, I don't need incorrect information. Maybe it's an editing mistake? The actual amount of water you need varies by exertion, and diet and all sorts of things, it's not a fixed amount.

futureastronaut 7y ago
Yes agreed, it's not helpful to search for a constant consumption requirement. A healthy and sedentary person, with a reasonable diet, on a cold, gray, damp day, does not need to consume much water.
UI_at_80x24 7y ago
>The actual amount of water you need varies by exertion, and diet and all sorts of things, it's not a fixed amount. I completely agree with this statement. >If you drink that much, you'll just pee a lot, it won't actually do anything useful. I drink on average 6L of water a day. When I first started water-only fasting I was urinating constantly. I discovered that this was because I would drink a lot in one sitting, (as a 'meal' replica) and then interspersed throughout the day. Once I changed my consumption style to ~150mL frequently I found that my body used the water better. Once it realized that a "constant supply" was readily available (and didn't need to worry about feast/famine cycles) I retained what I needed and more casually urinated the processed water. My body can better manage itself when I drink 150ml 40x a day then it can manage 1L 6x a day.
- jjeaff 7y ago
  If the body was previously worried about "feast/famine" of water before, wouldn't it retain water rather than pee it all out?
  - ars 7y ago
    The body doesn't really have any way to retain [liquid] water without causing medical issues. There's no storage compartment except for fat that could be metabolized into water. You can also store water, for a short time, mixed into fiber in food that was recently eaten.
    - OJFord 7y ago
      But drunk more gradually thorugh the day, it is able to be 'retained'? Asking in good faith, taken independently each of your comments make perfect sense to me!

Finnucane 7y ago

What people often take away from that is that they should drink eight glasses of water _in addition to_ everything else they might consume--soda, juice, coffee, and anything else that has water in it. And they think there's a rule they need to adhere to, and not trust the fact that our bodies are actually pretty good at letting us know when we need water.

codesushi42 7y ago
>soda, juice, coffee Don't consume these. They have the opposite effect of dehydrating you.
- F-0X 7y ago
  If these have a dehydrating effect, it will be (literally) drowned out by the amount of water consumed. It will be a vast net-positive.
  - codesushi42 7y ago
    I guess you use the same logic when drinking sea water. Sugar and caffeine will dehydrate you. You'll be driven to drink more water to compensate. Vote me down, obese soda patrons.
    - F-0X 7y ago
      Sea water is very salty, and will box your kidneys in. It's not the same at all.
      - codesushi42 7y ago
        Not what I was getting at, at all. The sodium content will make you drink more water to compensate.
    - oarabbus_ 7y ago
      You're misinformed. Caffeine does not dehydrate those who consume it regularly. Sugar can dehydrate you if you are diabetic or have other blood sugar regulation issues. You're playing straw man games.