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Doing this behind her back, and without recourse, refusing to talk about it to the person in question, basically the whole way this happened, does not shine a g

Doing this behind her back, and without recourse, refusing to talk about it to the person in question, basically the whole way this happened, does not shine a good light on the advisors here. Plus, you may have noticed, she wrote under a non-identifiable name (outside maybe people already in the know) and didn't name the people in question, nor the institutions. So yeah, she's pissed, IMHO rightfully so, especially since this is a career breaking thing and without recourse.

hycaria 7y ago
So personal recommandations should be disclosed ? That kinda goes against the point of trying to have an open discussion about a potential appliant. And what would the recourse be anyways ? What good would a talk do, since admittedly it's a person and not a work problem ? Do any good come out of people explaining how they despise your attitude, especially with high stakes, where no response will ever bring closure ? Yes, btw I hope the publisher has more insight than the reader and does a background check. Edit : though I agree that the team should've hold a discussion, as sterile as it probably would've been, for it's own reputation.
- black_puppydog 7y ago
  Well, then your response could be summed up as "there's really nothing to do here." In which case, since the lab holds all the other cards, and shows no sign of changing course, the only valid recourse would be for the candidate to make this issue as visible as possible to all potential employers, including names and everything. Assuming that there is no consensus to be reached between her and the lab, let the other parties come to a conclusion after learning both sides. After all, not saying anything about this to a potential employer, knowing what they will hear from the lab, would be kind of self-defeating in the literal sense, no?
- jcranberry 7y ago
  If she knew that her academic career prospects were being sabotaged by her advisor rather than having her mental health deteriorate while failing to pursue an academic career in her field, she could have pivoted to industry or a separate topic.
  - black_puppydog 7y ago
    In which case she might be able to burn bridges, and call out people, and just tell her side of the story, if she... dunno... published it somewhere.
    - jcranberry 7y ago
      I doubt she views her current situation as better than the alternatives she would've had if she had been told in the first place.

hycaria 7y ago

So personal recommandations should be disclosed ? That kinda goes against the point of trying to have an open discussion about a potential appliant. And what would the recourse be anyways ? What good would a talk do, since admittedly it's a person and not a work problem ? Do any good come out of people explaining how they despise your attitude, especially with high stakes, where no response will ever bring closure ? Yes, btw I hope the publisher has more insight than the reader and does a background check. Edit : though I agree that the team should've hold a discussion, as sterile as it probably would've been, for it's own reputation.

black_puppydog 7y ago
Well, then your response could be summed up as "there's really nothing to do here." In which case, since the lab holds all the other cards, and shows no sign of changing course, the only valid recourse would be for the candidate to make this issue as visible as possible to all potential employers, including names and everything. Assuming that there is no consensus to be reached between her and the lab, let the other parties come to a conclusion after learning both sides. After all, not saying anything about this to a potential employer, knowing what they will hear from the lab, would be kind of self-defeating in the literal sense, no?
jcranberry 7y ago
If she knew that her academic career prospects were being sabotaged by her advisor rather than having her mental health deteriorate while failing to pursue an academic career in her field, she could have pivoted to industry or a separate topic.
- black_puppydog 7y ago
  In which case she might be able to burn bridges, and call out people, and just tell her side of the story, if she... dunno... published it somewhere.
  - jcranberry 7y ago
    I doubt she views her current situation as better than the alternatives she would've had if she had been told in the first place.