> Can you find a concrete example of that? I should have been more clear on that. Their own replies, look at their post history. It's usually something like "

> Can you find a concrete example of that? I should have been more clear on that. Their own replies, look at their post history. It's usually something like "Use Signal/Wire blah blah they are so good and will solve all the worlds problems". Someone then always points out that Signal requires you to share your phone number. Who wants to do that publicly? Then people usually say the desktop client is pretty bad experience and you need Signal on your phone anyway to be able to use it. Even if you use a disposable SIM, the issue comes up with the number going back into the carrier distribution pool to be issued to new customers. Phone numbers are a terrible way to identify people. Unlike email, where you can have spam filters, phone numbers have virtually no user controls for stopping unsolicited communications. Hell even IRC has that it's called /ignore. Often then the next thing that gets mentioned is Signal does not like people making third party clients, so that means no nice TUI client or something that is native for your platform. I dunno about you, but I go out of my way to avoid Electron. I am thankful that at least with Matrix, there are other clients being developed, and tools like Pantalaimon that will allow for easy encryption everywhere. https://github.com/matrix-org/pantalaimon https://github.com/matrix-org/pantalaimon I have blind friends and they say Electron applications are terrible. By that I mean non-functional with their screen readers, so that's a 0/10 for accessibility. And then someone else always points out Wire has metadata and isn't even federated like Matrix so you're back to square one.