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30 people leaving Tesla with job titles as low as "manager" over the course of a year and a half is almost meaningless without seeing how this stacks up against

30 people leaving Tesla with job titles as low as "manager" over the course of a year and a half is almost meaningless without seeing how this stacks up against other tech companies of a similar size.

hef19898 7y ago
There's a potential fallicy here. Tesla should be compared to other car companies and not software companies. Because Tesla is building cars.
- chronic7382 7y ago
  > Tesla should be compared to other car companies and not software companies. Because Tesla is building cars. Really? Because the Tesla fanboys consider Tesla a tech company. OTA updates amirite?
- elisharobinson 7y ago
  really though how many car companies have OTA updates
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    They all will. Volkswagen is doing it for its electric cars. But that level of connectivity is not necessarily a good thing: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29120/top-ota-expert-shows-how-state-actors-hack-into-your-car-and-what-happens-next-people-will-die https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29120/top-ota-expert-shows-how...
    - elisharobinson 7y ago
      i wouldnt count on it bosh has a choke hold on any innovation in the auto software space , at this point its no secret that auto software is in the state it is because of bosch choke hold on the whole market .
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        Volkswagen must have missed that particular memo: https://www.automotivelinux.org/announcements/2019/04/08/volkswagen-joins-agl https://www.automotivelinux.org/announcements/2019/04/08/vol... https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/vw-exec-kick-starts-brands-bid-become-ev-leader https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/vw-exec-kick-starts-b... https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/2020-volkswagen-id-3-electric-car-orders-open-first-edition-detailed/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/2020-volkswagen-id-3-elec... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cHHNPRg-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cHHNPRg-c
        elisharobinson 7y ago
        i think we might both be right tesla is a software company and others are catching up to the reality of cyber security in a connected world. they are adopting FOSS to their clossed source systems which isnt the same as building a stack around FOSS from the ground up which is a very software company thing to do.
        clouddrover 7y ago
        > i think we might both be right No, you claimed other car companies won't have over-the-air software updates which is false. You claimed Bosch controls automative software which is also false. Bosch also makes use of a lot of open source software: https://oss.bosch-cm.com/ https://oss.bosch-cm.com/
        elisharobinson 7y ago
        yes i amended my claim after reading the article about auto-Linux(i didn't know about it thanks by the way), but i checked out the Bosch oss and its not what i would call useful maybe i need to look into it a bit more, From what i have seen so far the license disclosure is out of date for few vendors ie, not yet updated since jan'18 , package disclosure show there may be some vulnerable outdated packages on the platform today, its almost like a attack vector brochure. So there may still be cars out there which have these software platforms and they wouldnt be able to update them unless bosch updates it and you patch it through copyrighted update tool which bosch owns , in a service center licensed by Bosch, and your telling me bosch doesnt have a strangle hold of the auto software market, if anything this oss disclosure reaffirms it .the fact that some manager thought this oss discloure sure seems like a good idea is exactly the kinda thing a non tech manager guy would do in a car company.
navigatesol 7y ago
This is no normal company though right? They are going to have a million robotaxis on the road in a year,Solar tiles,semis, news models,FSD and the stock is going to the moon. Yet everyone is leaving?

hef19898 7y ago

There's a potential fallicy here. Tesla should be compared to other car companies and not software companies. Because Tesla is building cars.

chronic7382 7y ago
> Tesla should be compared to other car companies and not software companies. Because Tesla is building cars. Really? Because the Tesla fanboys consider Tesla a tech company. OTA updates amirite?
elisharobinson 7y ago
really though how many car companies have OTA updates
- clouddrover 7y ago
  They all will. Volkswagen is doing it for its electric cars. But that level of connectivity is not necessarily a good thing: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29120/top-ota-expert-shows-how-state-actors-hack-into-your-car-and-what-happens-next-people-will-die https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29120/top-ota-expert-shows-how...
  - elisharobinson 7y ago
    i wouldnt count on it bosh has a choke hold on any innovation in the auto software space , at this point its no secret that auto software is in the state it is because of bosch choke hold on the whole market .
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      Volkswagen must have missed that particular memo: https://www.automotivelinux.org/announcements/2019/04/08/volkswagen-joins-agl https://www.automotivelinux.org/announcements/2019/04/08/vol... https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/vw-exec-kick-starts-brands-bid-become-ev-leader https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/vw-exec-kick-starts-b... https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/2020-volkswagen-id-3-electric-car-orders-open-first-edition-detailed/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/2020-volkswagen-id-3-elec... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cHHNPRg-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cHHNPRg-c
      - elisharobinson 7y ago
        i think we might both be right tesla is a software company and others are catching up to the reality of cyber security in a connected world. they are adopting FOSS to their clossed source systems which isnt the same as building a stack around FOSS from the ground up which is a very software company thing to do.
        clouddrover 7y ago
        > i think we might both be right No, you claimed other car companies won't have over-the-air software updates which is false. You claimed Bosch controls automative software which is also false. Bosch also makes use of a lot of open source software: https://oss.bosch-cm.com/ https://oss.bosch-cm.com/
        elisharobinson 7y ago
        yes i amended my claim after reading the article about auto-Linux(i didn't know about it thanks by the way), but i checked out the Bosch oss and its not what i would call useful maybe i need to look into it a bit more, From what i have seen so far the license disclosure is out of date for few vendors ie, not yet updated since jan'18 , package disclosure show there may be some vulnerable outdated packages on the platform today, its almost like a attack vector brochure. So there may still be cars out there which have these software platforms and they wouldnt be able to update them unless bosch updates it and you patch it through copyrighted update tool which bosch owns , in a service center licensed by Bosch, and your telling me bosch doesnt have a strangle hold of the auto software market, if anything this oss disclosure reaffirms it .the fact that some manager thought this oss discloure sure seems like a good idea is exactly the kinda thing a non tech manager guy would do in a car company.

navigatesol 7y ago

This is no normal company though right? They are going to have a million robotaxis on the road in a year,Solar tiles,semis, news models,FSD and the stock is going to the moon. Yet everyone is leaving?