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> It’s a red herring to focus on the last 1-3% of true “non-believers” Your estimate of 1-3% is too low by an order of magnitude, at least in the US [0]: > Ma

> It’s a red herring to focus on the last 1-3% of true “non-believers” Your estimate of 1-3% is too low by an order of magnitude, at least in the US [0]: > Majorities of Americans overall say most scientists think global warming is occurring (66%), it is caused by human activities (64%) and its effects have begun (60%). [0] (2018) https://news.gallup.com/poll/231530/global-warming-concern-steady-despite-partisan-shifts.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/231530/global-warming-concern-s...

tracker1 7y ago
There's also the issue of what level of impact man has had, or can have moving forward. Of course, a lot of the actions suggested and proposed won't have meaningful impact or will overburden societies with even more minimal impact... Or a Socialism program named an environment program. No air freight shipping. Work weeks limited to 4 days a week for employees, and stiff tax penalties for employers with employees with longer work weeks. Those two would be more of an impact than replacing all the straws and several other options being explored with minimal real impact. Forcing farmers to rotate the grazing lands for their livestock as well as addition grass seeding, watering and planting of trees. Fines for local power companies that effectively block home generated power. Higher taxes on regions using Fossil fuels for electricity generation. Makers/sellers of electrical equipment must be built to last at least 10 years under a full, no cost warranty. Makers of computing devices no longer receiving security updates within the first 10 years must release the source and appropriate keys for users to self-maintain their devices. All electrical devices with a battery must be user serviceable. I'm not really a fan of raising taxes... but it wouldn't take much for significant impact.
dsaavy 7y ago
Ah, I misread where the 97% and 99% consensus was attributed to, good catch. I do wonder where the Americans who don’t believe global warming is occurring fall on the socioeconomic ladder and potential large-scale impact on climate outcomes. This part still worries me the most though: “The pushback has been political rather than scientific. In the US, the rightwing thinktank the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CPI) is reportedly putting pressure on Nasa to remove a reference to the 97% study from its webpage. The CPI has received event funding from the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers and Charles Koch Institute, which have much to lose from a transition to a low-carbon economy.”

tracker1 7y ago

There's also the issue of what level of impact man has had, or can have moving forward. Of course, a lot of the actions suggested and proposed won't have meaningful impact or will overburden societies with even more minimal impact... Or a Socialism program named an environment program. No air freight shipping. Work weeks limited to 4 days a week for employees, and stiff tax penalties for employers with employees with longer work weeks. Those two would be more of an impact than replacing all the straws and several other options being explored with minimal real impact. Forcing farmers to rotate the grazing lands for their livestock as well as addition grass seeding, watering and planting of trees. Fines for local power companies that effectively block home generated power. Higher taxes on regions using Fossil fuels for electricity generation. Makers/sellers of electrical equipment must be built to last at least 10 years under a full, no cost warranty. Makers of computing devices no longer receiving security updates within the first 10 years must release the source and appropriate keys for users to self-maintain their devices. All electrical devices with a battery must be user serviceable. I'm not really a fan of raising taxes... but it wouldn't take much for significant impact.

dsaavy 7y ago

Ah, I misread where the 97% and 99% consensus was attributed to, good catch. I do wonder where the Americans who don’t believe global warming is occurring fall on the socioeconomic ladder and potential large-scale impact on climate outcomes. This part still worries me the most though: “The pushback has been political rather than scientific. In the US, the rightwing thinktank the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CPI) is reportedly putting pressure on Nasa to remove a reference to the 97% study from its webpage. The CPI has received event funding from the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers and Charles Koch Institute, which have much to lose from a transition to a low-carbon economy.”