4 ms·

And a left wing extremist problem, given the recent Antifa beating of journalist Andy Ngo and, fortunately unsuccessful, attempt by Antifa to ignite a large pro

And a left wing extremist problem, given the recent Antifa beating of journalist Andy Ngo and, fortunately unsuccessful, attempt by Antifa to ignite a large propane tank next to a migrant center.

tomlock 7y ago
Right wing extremists have killed more people in the last ten years than any other political group.
- stcredzero 7y ago
  This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up, though the Far Right surged ahead in this year. However, in terms of numbers of events of violence, intimidation, and minor assault, the Far Left has been quite busy. The left leaning media just shows an extreme bias in discussing these events. All of that stuff is bad, and bad for us.
  - kybernetikos 7y ago
    > This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up, though the Far Right surged ahead in this year. According to https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_IdeologicalMotivationsOfTerrorismInUS_Nov2017.pdf https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_IdeologicalMotivationsO... there have been no deaths from left wing terrorism in the USA for nearly 40 years. You can read the same information here: https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf > Specifically, tables 1 and 2 show a description, date, location and number of victim fatalities for each far right [106] and radical Islamist [119] attack between September 12, 2001 and December 31, 2016. During this period, no persons in the United States were killed in attacks carried out by persons believed to be motivated by extremist environmental beliefs, extremist “animal liberation”beliefs, or extremist far left beliefs.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - zajio1am 7y ago
      > During this period, no persons in the United States were killed in attacks carried out by persons believed to be motivated by ... extremist far left beliefs. Depends on what is counted as far-left extremism. There were anti-white / anti-police attacks associated with BLM: https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201607070001 https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gt... https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201607170005 https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gt...
      - FireBeyond 7y ago
        Apropos of anything else, it's interesting that: > he needed to bring destruction 'upon bad cops as well as good cops' because of what he saw as the justice system's failure to prosecute bad police officers who commit crimes wanting society to hold criminal police officers accountable is a "extremist far left belief", regardless of this individual's deranged methodology.
      - ChrisLomont 7y ago
        Neither associated with leftist groups. The first was at most in anti-govt groups, which were clearly not left. The second was anti white. This info is easily found online from many places. What makes you think these were from far-left extremism? What groups or ideology did they profess to be a part of?
        mcantelon 7y ago
        > The first was at most in anti-govt groups, which were clearly not left. You don't need to be associated with a group to be an individual extremist deciding to advance a movement. The shooter's photographed doing a black power salute. The black power movement isn't right wing. https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/ https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas... While there may certainly be more extremists on the right the idea that someone on the left can't be an extremist, or that there are no leftist extremists, doesn't make much sense.
  - tomlock 7y ago
    The amount of hate crimes, and remember, the fbi has said white supremacy is now the majority of terrorism arrests it does, have also surged, so it's more a case of the issue on the right being greater in magnitude than there being a left wing bias.
  - fzeroracer 7y ago
    You're gonna need to provide citations for your claims. The data I've seen all indicates otherwise.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up That's not a truthful statement, or even close.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- mcantelon 7y ago
  Islamism seems to still be the number one source of terrorism fatalities: https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/ https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/wha...
  - jachee 7y ago
    Your racism/xenophobia is showing.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
jmull 7y ago
Here’s some data: https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
- mcantelon 7y ago
  Does the data show that left wing extremism should be ignored because there's not as much or it's lower intensity? Why do many people seem to have a hard time condemning political violence in all forms and by all parties?
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - ChrisLomont 7y ago
    Why do many people give false equivalence on disparate actions? Whataboutism?
    - mcantelon 7y ago
      Why do many people use "whataboutism" to wave away double standards?
anigbrowl 7y ago
I'd review that Andy Ngo story carefully if I were you, and make sure you have all the relevant context. He's a detailed, well-sourced article on the topic. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/andy-ngo-portland-antifa https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/andy-ng...

And a left wing extremist problem, given the recent Antifa beating of journalist Andy Ngo and, fortunately unsuccessful, attempt by Antifa to ignite a large propane tank next to a migrant center.

tomlock 7y ago

Right wing extremists have killed more people in the last ten years than any other political group.

stcredzero 7y ago
This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up, though the Far Right surged ahead in this year. However, in terms of numbers of events of violence, intimidation, and minor assault, the Far Left has been quite busy. The left leaning media just shows an extreme bias in discussing these events. All of that stuff is bad, and bad for us.
- kybernetikos 7y ago
  > This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up, though the Far Right surged ahead in this year. According to https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_IdeologicalMotivationsOfTerrorismInUS_Nov2017.pdf https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_IdeologicalMotivationsO... there have been no deaths from left wing terrorism in the USA for nearly 40 years. You can read the same information here: https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf > Specifically, tables 1 and 2 show a description, date, location and number of victim fatalities for each far right [106] and radical Islamist [119] attack between September 12, 2001 and December 31, 2016. During this period, no persons in the United States were killed in attacks carried out by persons believed to be motivated by extremist environmental beliefs, extremist “animal liberation”beliefs, or extremist far left beliefs.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - zajio1am 7y ago
    > During this period, no persons in the United States were killed in attacks carried out by persons believed to be motivated by ... extremist far left beliefs. Depends on what is counted as far-left extremism. There were anti-white / anti-police attacks associated with BLM: https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201607070001 https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gt... https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201607170005 https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gt...
    - FireBeyond 7y ago
      Apropos of anything else, it's interesting that: > he needed to bring destruction 'upon bad cops as well as good cops' because of what he saw as the justice system's failure to prosecute bad police officers who commit crimes wanting society to hold criminal police officers accountable is a "extremist far left belief", regardless of this individual's deranged methodology.
    - ChrisLomont 7y ago
      Neither associated with leftist groups. The first was at most in anti-govt groups, which were clearly not left. The second was anti white. This info is easily found online from many places. What makes you think these were from far-left extremism? What groups or ideology did they profess to be a part of?
      - mcantelon 7y ago
        > The first was at most in anti-govt groups, which were clearly not left. You don't need to be associated with a group to be an individual extremist deciding to advance a movement. The shooter's photographed doing a black power salute. The black power movement isn't right wing. https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/ https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas... While there may certainly be more extremists on the right the idea that someone on the left can't be an extremist, or that there are no leftist extremists, doesn't make much sense.
- tomlock 7y ago
  The amount of hate crimes, and remember, the fbi has said white supremacy is now the majority of terrorism arrests it does, have also surged, so it's more a case of the issue on the right being greater in magnitude than there being a left wing bias.
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  You're gonna need to provide citations for your claims. The data I've seen all indicates otherwise.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  This is true, though for awhile in the past few years, the Far Left was catching up That's not a truthful statement, or even close.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
mcantelon 7y ago
Islamism seems to still be the number one source of terrorism fatalities: https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/what-threat-united-states-today/ https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/terrorism-in-america/wha...
- jachee 7y ago
  Your racism/xenophobia is showing.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]

jmull 7y ago

Here’s some data: https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

mcantelon 7y ago
Does the data show that left wing extremism should be ignored because there's not as much or it's lower intensity? Why do many people seem to have a hard time condemning political violence in all forms and by all parties?
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- ChrisLomont 7y ago
  Why do many people give false equivalence on disparate actions? Whataboutism?
  - mcantelon 7y ago
    Why do many people use "whataboutism" to wave away double standards?

anigbrowl 7y ago

I'd review that Andy Ngo story carefully if I were you, and make sure you have all the relevant context. He's a detailed, well-sourced article on the topic. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/andy-ngo-portland-antifa https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/andy-ng...