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Yes, racism exists. Armenian, Greek etc are used as insults by racist people. This doesn’t mean that it is the general state of public. People like Trump use M

by tuvan 7y ago

Yes, racism exists. Armenian, Greek etc are used as insults by racist people. This doesn’t mean that it is the general state of public. People like Trump use Mexican as an insult, that doesn’t change the fact that there are tons of people with Mexican roots that identify as American and are well respected by the non-racist majority of the nation. I don’t see how PKK is anything like American revolution. PKK isn’t representing any form of official group, they aren’t acting in favor of any specific agenda. There is no ‘real unsolved problem still present in Turkey’ that can justify suicide bombing civilians. They are indirectly funded by USA through military aids to PKKs extension PYD. If you asked what does PKK want to Turkish people, there would be no clear answer, as all PKK ever accomplished was stirring the political climate every single time there was a possibility of political stability in the area.

chr1 7y ago
Do you know of any cases where anyone in America called someone "Mexican" as an insult? Could someone file a lawsuit because he was called "Mexican"? I don't think so, and i don't think USA and Turkey are comparable. PKK and Kurds want to have their own country, that's natural, every nation wants that, and if history have taken a bit different path Turks could be in the same situation. If there was free speech in Turkey and non-racists were really the overwhelming majority, then the people who go into PKK would simply try to hold a referendum for independence (like people in Scotland), and most likely would not get the majority vote (again like Scotland), but unfortunately Turkey still has a long way to go to get there.
- tuvan 7y ago
  Kurds have an independent country, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan In this day and age, seperatist referandums are just dreams. Kurdistan Kurds had a referandum to declare complete independence from Iraq with 90%+ in favor of independance but they couldn’t make that recognized by international parties, even with Iraq having no practical government. And we saw what happened when Catalans attempted the same thing. Though considering the elections in April Erdogans party got more votes in south eastern Turkey than pro PKK HDP. It is very easy to see that Kurds prefer Erdogan over PKK.
  - chr1 7y ago
    Kurds have independent country only on part of their historic territory. Turkey being independent didn't hinder turks to take half of Cyprus where Turks were not even majority, unlike the territory claimed by Kurds, where Kurds are majority because Turkey was too effective in getting rid of Armenians and Assyrians. You are correct that existing states are very reluctant to recognize new countries, but my point is that a mere glimmer of hope is enough so significantly reduce terrorism like it with Basque country for instance. > Though considering the elections in April Erdogans party got more votes in south eastern Turkey than pro PKK HDP. It is very easy to see that Kurds prefer Erdogan over PKK. That or maybe people with guns supporting Erdoghans party were effective https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_local_elections#Violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_local_elections#V...

by tuvan 7y ago

chr1 7y ago

Do you know of any cases where anyone in America called someone "Mexican" as an insult? Could someone file a lawsuit because he was called "Mexican"? I don't think so, and i don't think USA and Turkey are comparable. PKK and Kurds want to have their own country, that's natural, every nation wants that, and if history have taken a bit different path Turks could be in the same situation. If there was free speech in Turkey and non-racists were really the overwhelming majority, then the people who go into PKK would simply try to hold a referendum for independence (like people in Scotland), and most likely would not get the majority vote (again like Scotland), but unfortunately Turkey still has a long way to go to get there.

tuvan 7y ago
Kurds have an independent country, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan In this day and age, seperatist referandums are just dreams. Kurdistan Kurds had a referandum to declare complete independence from Iraq with 90%+ in favor of independance but they couldn’t make that recognized by international parties, even with Iraq having no practical government. And we saw what happened when Catalans attempted the same thing. Though considering the elections in April Erdogans party got more votes in south eastern Turkey than pro PKK HDP. It is very easy to see that Kurds prefer Erdogan over PKK.
- chr1 7y ago
  Kurds have independent country only on part of their historic territory. Turkey being independent didn't hinder turks to take half of Cyprus where Turks were not even majority, unlike the territory claimed by Kurds, where Kurds are majority because Turkey was too effective in getting rid of Armenians and Assyrians. You are correct that existing states are very reluctant to recognize new countries, but my point is that a mere glimmer of hope is enough so significantly reduce terrorism like it with Basque country for instance. > Though considering the elections in April Erdogans party got more votes in south eastern Turkey than pro PKK HDP. It is very easy to see that Kurds prefer Erdogan over PKK. That or maybe people with guns supporting Erdoghans party were effective https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_local_elections#Violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_local_elections#V...