6 ms·

From that same page: The BizSpark Graduation Offer assumes a standard production configuration of 4 Windows Server Standard Edition and 2 SQL Server Standard Ed

by johns 16y ago

From that same page: The BizSpark Graduation Offer assumes a standard production configuration of 4 Windows Server Standard Edition and 2 SQL Server Standard Edition (Proc) which we believe will meet the needs of most startups. For startups who have different or greater needs, the BizSpark team will work with them to build a customized configuration at graduation.

kogir 16y ago
I can't reveal details but the graduation offer Loopt has received (a customized configuration) is fantastic. We'll be much better off at the end than when we started, and don't regret it for a second. It's absolutely not a bait and switch.
- robconery 16y ago
  That's great that it works for you - and I don't think anyone is suggesting it's a bait and switch (I tried to be very careful with the post's wording). My point in this thread isn't that it's duplicitous - more that it's not free. I'm sure you guys had to work some licensing (which probably came under an agreement to enroll in another program). This isn't free - it's an engagement. If you left the program you would have to pay, I'm sure. And if it works for you - that's good stuff. I'd be very interested in reading about your choices and why you went this route.
  - kogir 16y ago
    You're absolutely right. I didn't intend to put words in your mouth. I've just had discussions before where that came up. Loopt was paying for licensing before we joined, and will be paying less after. I could be wrong, but as I understand it: * The dev tools are free, and continue to be so at the end. This is a huge deal by itself. * Some number of server licenses are perpetually free. It's possible for it to be completely free, though it needn't be if you aren't careful or choose to exceed the limits.
kenjackson 16y ago
And? How is them giving you free software proof that you're not getting free software? That's like saying Apple gave me a 16GB iPhone, but I want a 32GB version, therefore its not free. Of course we're talking about Microsoft so bizarro logic now applies.
- nailer 16y ago
  Quoting you: > You can in theory, build Google on it, make $50B over 20 years, and never pay MS a dime, all while using MS software. > That's like saying Apple gave me a 16GB iPhone, but I want a 32GB version, therefore its not free. I agree, it would seem bizarro logic does indeed apply.
  - kenjackson 16y ago
    And? Where's the logical flaw? There is none. Honestly, this is the type of stuff I could show to a high school critical thinking class and most of the class would understand it. Maybe my bar for HN is too high. Unfortunately typing slower doesn't have the same impact as talking slower.
    - nailer 16y ago
      Please read the Hacker News guidelines, they're available at: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by johns 16y ago

kogir 16y ago

I can't reveal details but the graduation offer Loopt has received (a customized configuration) is fantastic. We'll be much better off at the end than when we started, and don't regret it for a second. It's absolutely not a bait and switch.

robconery 16y ago
That's great that it works for you - and I don't think anyone is suggesting it's a bait and switch (I tried to be very careful with the post's wording). My point in this thread isn't that it's duplicitous - more that it's not free. I'm sure you guys had to work some licensing (which probably came under an agreement to enroll in another program). This isn't free - it's an engagement. If you left the program you would have to pay, I'm sure. And if it works for you - that's good stuff. I'd be very interested in reading about your choices and why you went this route.
- kogir 16y ago
  You're absolutely right. I didn't intend to put words in your mouth. I've just had discussions before where that came up. Loopt was paying for licensing before we joined, and will be paying less after. I could be wrong, but as I understand it: * The dev tools are free, and continue to be so at the end. This is a huge deal by itself. * Some number of server licenses are perpetually free. It's possible for it to be completely free, though it needn't be if you aren't careful or choose to exceed the limits.

kenjackson 16y ago

And? How is them giving you free software proof that you're not getting free software? That's like saying Apple gave me a 16GB iPhone, but I want a 32GB version, therefore its not free. Of course we're talking about Microsoft so bizarro logic now applies.

nailer 16y ago
Quoting you: > You can in theory, build Google on it, make $50B over 20 years, and never pay MS a dime, all while using MS software. > That's like saying Apple gave me a 16GB iPhone, but I want a 32GB version, therefore its not free. I agree, it would seem bizarro logic does indeed apply.
- kenjackson 16y ago
  And? Where's the logical flaw? There is none. Honestly, this is the type of stuff I could show to a high school critical thinking class and most of the class would understand it. Maybe my bar for HN is too high. Unfortunately typing slower doesn't have the same impact as talking slower.
  - nailer 16y ago
    Please read the Hacker News guidelines, they're available at: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html