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> They're already safer than human drivers, with fewer accidents per mile than humans. So are trains. What's your point? This is precisely why people say "I to

by mbesto 7y ago

> They're already safer than human drivers, with fewer accidents per mile than humans. So are trains. What's your point? This is precisely why people say "I told you so!" - the level of non-exceptions required for them to get right is so numerous that this is exactly why it's a technology problem. Semantics here are important. This is classic SV think - it worked for me on my shiny paved road from Palo Alto to Redwood City so it must work for the rest of the world. smh

jedberg 7y ago
Trains don't drive on roads? And keep in mind that all of these self driving cars will only be in those specific pristine conditions. Every company pursuing self-driving is looking to launch a taxi service, which would limit the operation to areas where it is safe to do so.
- mbesto 7y ago
  > Trains don't drive on roads? And keep in mind that all of these self driving cars will only be in those specific pristine conditions. That's literally the point I'm trying to make. Trains only riding on set rails is synonymous with an autonomous vehicles ability to drive on a set level of pristine road. Semantics are important here - these companies keep saying "we've got AD coming!" and then keeping throwing an asterix next to it ("note - in select markets only"). Can you see why people roll their eyes?
cmrdporcupine 7y ago
Absolutely, it's such an incredible bubble of self-delusion that becomes quickly evident to people who try to use SV-produced products outside of the prosperous, no-weather climate, highly connected world of the Bay Area. I mean, trivial things like Android Auto looks great, until you lose coverage, or your network gets really crappy -- then it starts to behave in ridiculous ways like: try to send a message, and instead of saying "I can't do that right now because X" or "I'll try later" it spins for a bit and then tells you that contact doesn't exist, etc. If I can't trust SV engineers to deal with common edge cases that result from a place without perfect Internet on a product like _that_ -- why should I trust them to build a car that can handle a climate like mine, a place that has intense and powerful winters that cover all markings on the road, leave black ice patches all over, and have the cars around you using ad-hoc lanes or traffic patterns due to obstruction or severe conditions? SMH indeed.
- jedberg 7y ago
  They're not trying to handle your climate. They're trying to build a taxi service in San Francisco.

by mbesto 7y ago

jedberg 7y ago

Trains don't drive on roads? And keep in mind that all of these self driving cars will only be in those specific pristine conditions. Every company pursuing self-driving is looking to launch a taxi service, which would limit the operation to areas where it is safe to do so.

mbesto 7y ago
> Trains don't drive on roads? And keep in mind that all of these self driving cars will only be in those specific pristine conditions. That's literally the point I'm trying to make. Trains only riding on set rails is synonymous with an autonomous vehicles ability to drive on a set level of pristine road. Semantics are important here - these companies keep saying "we've got AD coming!" and then keeping throwing an asterix next to it ("note - in select markets only"). Can you see why people roll their eyes?

cmrdporcupine 7y ago

Absolutely, it's such an incredible bubble of self-delusion that becomes quickly evident to people who try to use SV-produced products outside of the prosperous, no-weather climate, highly connected world of the Bay Area. I mean, trivial things like Android Auto looks great, until you lose coverage, or your network gets really crappy -- then it starts to behave in ridiculous ways like: try to send a message, and instead of saying "I can't do that right now because X" or "I'll try later" it spins for a bit and then tells you that contact doesn't exist, etc. If I can't trust SV engineers to deal with common edge cases that result from a place without perfect Internet on a product like _that_ -- why should I trust them to build a car that can handle a climate like mine, a place that has intense and powerful winters that cover all markings on the road, leave black ice patches all over, and have the cars around you using ad-hoc lanes or traffic patterns due to obstruction or severe conditions? SMH indeed.

jedberg 7y ago
They're not trying to handle your climate. They're trying to build a taxi service in San Francisco.