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> And if you eliminate Tesla from the category, since they aren't using LIDAR, you can also point out that a self-driving car has never killed a passenger. I t
by jsight 7y ago
> And if you eliminate Tesla from the category, since they aren't using LIDAR, you can also point out that a self-driving car has never killed a passenger.
I think the better reason to eliminate Tesla is that Tesla does not yet claim to have a feature complete self-driving car.
> If a self-driver kills a person, it would set the entire industry back decades, even though humans kill people with cars every single day.
In that case, we have already been set back decades by the Uber crash.
- jedberg 7y ago> In that case, we have already been set back decades by the Uber crash. I mean a self-driver without a human safety driver. Many people blame the safety driver for that crash, so it saved the perception (even though it was totally the car's fault).
- jsight 7y agoOh, I understand now and that is a completely fair point. The safety driver allowed them to shift blame in a way that will be more difficult without them. I still do not think that such an incident would cost decades, but undoubtedly the cost would be far higher than the Uber case.
- justapassenger 7y agoFeature complete is a BS term for self driving. Being able to, for example, make a turn on red light, while cool, is far far away from being able to make a red turn reliably in all situations. It’s like someone claiming they are feature complete to be a composer, because they finished learning music notes.
- jsight 7y agoFeature complete is a necessary but not sufficient precondition for self-driving. Tesla does not claim to have achieved this precondition.
- justapassenger 7y agoThey talk about 1M robotaxis by the end of 2020, and being feature complete by the end of 2019. Tesla is either lying or has no idea how complex FSD is.
- jsight 7y agoFair points, but not really relevant to the point that I was making.