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The industry could help with this if they provided a solution for liability questions. I definitely wouldn’t like to be run over by a self driving car and then

The industry could help with this if they provided a solution for liability questions. I definitely wouldn’t like to be run over by a self driving car and then having nobody to be held responsible.

jedberg 7y ago
The owner of the vehicle would be responsible. Just like any other industrial accident. If you get killed by a garbage compactor that runs on a timer, the machine owner has to deal with that.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  >The owner of the vehicle would be responsible. I think you're misinformed. Why should I be? I've been informed, by you, that it's a better driver than me, and I have no control over the software. Let me say, these are not insurmountable problems, by any means. But the government moves slowly.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  If I buy a self driving car now, can I buy insurance for it? I doubt it. Maybe the developers of self driving cars should fund such an insurance.
  - mrep 7y ago
    Tesla is planning on selling insurance and I'm guessing it is to cover their self driving features [0]. [0]: https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/details-of-teslas-new-insurance-program-start-to-leak/ https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/details-of-teslas-new-insuran...
smt88 7y ago
Insurance would be attached to the vehicle, and the insurer would know whether or not it's self-driving. What liability question do you think there is?
- navigatesol 7y ago
  Am I buying the insurance, or is the manufacturer/software company?
  - jedberg 7y ago
    You are because you own the machine.
    - FireBeyond 7y ago
      Your analogy with industrial facilities falls apart. If I buy industrial equipment, it comes with a set of safety recommendations, and requirements. On top of those may also be Labor & Industries, or OSHA. If I fail to follow these, I as the owner am held responsible. How do I ensure that the SDC follows these? How much control do I have over that, short of "don't buy/drive it"? If I do follow these, I may also be hit with an insurance claim, but if I can show that the manufacturer didn't account for something I can probably also make a case against them to recoup some of my loss. Given Tesla, for one egregious example, and their already demonstrated trend of trying to buck any and all responsibility for Autopilot-related collisions, how likely you do you think they are to step up to the plate for "Yes, our car should have determined that there was a pedestrian in the road and stopped, but didn't"? Because I see it more that they will instead hide behind current software clauses, "not responsible for issues, errors, losses, defects".
richk449 7y ago
> I definitely wouldn’t like to be run over by a self driving car and then having nobody to be held responsible. If you upgrade to the special China style self driving package, the car will automatically back over any injuried pedestrians, ensuring that the pedestrian will not have to worry about the problem of who to hold responsible.

The industry could help with this if they provided a solution for liability questions. I definitely wouldn’t like to be run over by a self driving car and then having nobody to be held responsible.

jedberg 7y ago

The owner of the vehicle would be responsible. Just like any other industrial accident. If you get killed by a garbage compactor that runs on a timer, the machine owner has to deal with that.

navigatesol 7y ago
>The owner of the vehicle would be responsible. I think you're misinformed. Why should I be? I've been informed, by you, that it's a better driver than me, and I have no control over the software. Let me say, these are not insurmountable problems, by any means. But the government moves slowly.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
If I buy a self driving car now, can I buy insurance for it? I doubt it. Maybe the developers of self driving cars should fund such an insurance.
- mrep 7y ago
  Tesla is planning on selling insurance and I'm guessing it is to cover their self driving features [0]. [0]: https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/details-of-teslas-new-insurance-program-start-to-leak/ https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/details-of-teslas-new-insuran...

smt88 7y ago

Insurance would be attached to the vehicle, and the insurer would know whether or not it's self-driving. What liability question do you think there is?

navigatesol 7y ago
Am I buying the insurance, or is the manufacturer/software company?
- jedberg 7y ago
  You are because you own the machine.
  - FireBeyond 7y ago
    Your analogy with industrial facilities falls apart. If I buy industrial equipment, it comes with a set of safety recommendations, and requirements. On top of those may also be Labor & Industries, or OSHA. If I fail to follow these, I as the owner am held responsible. How do I ensure that the SDC follows these? How much control do I have over that, short of "don't buy/drive it"? If I do follow these, I may also be hit with an insurance claim, but if I can show that the manufacturer didn't account for something I can probably also make a case against them to recoup some of my loss. Given Tesla, for one egregious example, and their already demonstrated trend of trying to buck any and all responsibility for Autopilot-related collisions, how likely you do you think they are to step up to the plate for "Yes, our car should have determined that there was a pedestrian in the road and stopped, but didn't"? Because I see it more that they will instead hide behind current software clauses, "not responsible for issues, errors, losses, defects".

richk449 7y ago

> I definitely wouldn’t like to be run over by a self driving car and then having nobody to be held responsible. If you upgrade to the special China style self driving package, the car will automatically back over any injuried pedestrians, ensuring that the pedestrian will not have to worry about the problem of who to hold responsible.