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What nonsense. Google's panoptic data collection is not excused by AOSP, side loading, or vendor shovelware, all of which are completely irrelevant. Google's de

What nonsense. Google's panoptic data collection is not excused by AOSP, side loading, or vendor shovelware, all of which are completely irrelevant. Google's detailed picture of the daily physical movements of everyone, cross referenced with their email, web searches, site visits, and who knows what else, is not somehow worse than Apple requiring a credit card to develop for the app store. Apple Maps doesn't know who you are. Siri doesn't know who you are. iMessage is E2E encrypted. Locations are anonymous. If you actually cared about this stuff, you'd be applauding Apple.

lern_too_spel 7y ago
You've fallen for a simple marketing campaign. What Google does with data has nothing to do with what data Android collects out of the box, which I have demonstrated (and you have not refuted) is less than what iOS collects. You can just as easily send your location, email, and search data to Google on iOS as you can on Android. The difference is that on Android, it is possible (even easy) to choose not to send data to Google or Apple. > If you actually cared about this stuff, you'd be applauding Apple. If you actually cared about privacy, you would be damning Apple for handing over the iCloud keys for Chinese users' data to the PRC allowing the PRC to implement dragnet surveillance on iCloud documents, iCloud email, iMessages, etc. to find and disappear dissidents. This is worse than anything Google or even Facebook has done by a stupendous margin. > iMessage is E2E encrypted. Since Apple controls the keyserver, Apple has the ability to wiretap any iMessage conversation (https://blog.quarkslab.com/imessage-privacy.html https://blog.quarkslab.com/imessage-privacy.html). Since China controls the keyserver inside the great firewall, China has the ability to wiretap any conversation that occurs with at least one user in China. Compare to Android, where you can set Signal as your default SMS handler. One pretends to support privacy, while the other actually does. > Apple Maps doesn't know who you are. But it does know where you are and every address link you click on. From there, you are very easy to deanonymize. Compare to Android, which lets you run fully offline mapping applications and set them as the default address handler. Apple's apps are systematically both less useful than alternatives and less private than other alternatives. The only thing that saves them is slick marketing.

lern_too_spel 7y ago

You've fallen for a simple marketing campaign. What Google does with data has nothing to do with what data Android collects out of the box, which I have demonstrated (and you have not refuted) is less than what iOS collects. You can just as easily send your location, email, and search data to Google on iOS as you can on Android. The difference is that on Android, it is possible (even easy) to choose not to send data to Google or Apple. > If you actually cared about this stuff, you'd be applauding Apple. If you actually cared about privacy, you would be damning Apple for handing over the iCloud keys for Chinese users' data to the PRC allowing the PRC to implement dragnet surveillance on iCloud documents, iCloud email, iMessages, etc. to find and disappear dissidents. This is worse than anything Google or even Facebook has done by a stupendous margin. > iMessage is E2E encrypted. Since Apple controls the keyserver, Apple has the ability to wiretap any iMessage conversation (https://blog.quarkslab.com/imessage-privacy.html https://blog.quarkslab.com/imessage-privacy.html). Since China controls the keyserver inside the great firewall, China has the ability to wiretap any conversation that occurs with at least one user in China. Compare to Android, where you can set Signal as your default SMS handler. One pretends to support privacy, while the other actually does. > Apple Maps doesn't know who you are. But it does know where you are and every address link you click on. From there, you are very easy to deanonymize. Compare to Android, which lets you run fully offline mapping applications and set them as the default address handler. Apple's apps are systematically both less useful than alternatives and less private than other alternatives. The only thing that saves them is slick marketing.