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> Because a nice fella from the security team at RIM will give you a call on your personal cell phone one late night and tell you that they know what you’re doi

> Because a nice fella from the security team at RIM will give you a call on your personal cell phone one late night and tell you that they know what you’re doing and to stop it. I don't know if anyone else has this reaction, but I find this to be a great alternative to the litigiousness that is normally reported. > So I stopped that night. ...and good on you for allowing "not suing" to be a successful option. (I'm taking no position on the behavior BEFORE you got caught, but once you were, you didn't "force" them into more extreme options)

rustguy 7y ago
Seems a bit in the clouds. The poster knowingly took ownership of stolen property and got a warning over it. Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.
- ergothus 7y ago
  > Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong. Nope! I still remain happy to see that something gets stopped without legal action, and seeing a company that didn't go for the throat succeeding in their defense. Just because a wrong isn't righted doesn't mean we can't be happy the situation didn't get worse.
  - __jal 7y ago
    A refreshing view. So many people seem to emotionally need some sort of social vindication of their injury, or in some other way feel dissatisfied if there isn't third-party shaming/punishment/etc. involved in conflict resolution. Sometimes, the best approach is "Yo, can you cut that out?"
  - rustguy 7y ago
    Somehow I think if the poster conspired to steal your own cell phone, you'd feel differently. What about a shoplifter at Target? You're implying that companies prosecuting theft are somehow morally inferior to RIM.
    - pixelbash 7y ago
      Bit of a straw man isn't that? Your one single cell phone is a bit different from one of hundreds of prototypes not owned by anyone in particular or even intended for sale.
      - de_watcher 7y ago
        I would be mad at someone stealing prototypes I use for development.
    - ergothus 7y ago
      > Somehow I think if the poster conspired to steal your own cell phone, you'd feel differently I'm not sure I would, depending on what you mean. Would I be more upset about someone conspiring to harm an individual as opposed to taking investigative actions that MIGHT harm a company by spreading information? Yes. Would I feel that someone stopping their conspiracy to steal my phone when I caught them and called them out wasn't enough? Probably not. There was bad, it was stopped, that's still a good ending. Would I be nervous that whoever was so conspiring wouldn't just stop when asked? Yes, admittedly. But that doesn't mean that harsher punishments actually fix that.

rustguy 7y ago

Seems a bit in the clouds. The poster knowingly took ownership of stolen property and got a warning over it. Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong.

ergothus 7y ago
> Stopping after you're caught doesn't right your wrong. Nope! I still remain happy to see that something gets stopped without legal action, and seeing a company that didn't go for the throat succeeding in their defense. Just because a wrong isn't righted doesn't mean we can't be happy the situation didn't get worse.
- __jal 7y ago
  A refreshing view. So many people seem to emotionally need some sort of social vindication of their injury, or in some other way feel dissatisfied if there isn't third-party shaming/punishment/etc. involved in conflict resolution. Sometimes, the best approach is "Yo, can you cut that out?"
- rustguy 7y ago
  Somehow I think if the poster conspired to steal your own cell phone, you'd feel differently. What about a shoplifter at Target? You're implying that companies prosecuting theft are somehow morally inferior to RIM.
  - pixelbash 7y ago
    Bit of a straw man isn't that? Your one single cell phone is a bit different from one of hundreds of prototypes not owned by anyone in particular or even intended for sale.
    - de_watcher 7y ago
      I would be mad at someone stealing prototypes I use for development.
  - ergothus 7y ago
    > Somehow I think if the poster conspired to steal your own cell phone, you'd feel differently I'm not sure I would, depending on what you mean. Would I be more upset about someone conspiring to harm an individual as opposed to taking investigative actions that MIGHT harm a company by spreading information? Yes. Would I feel that someone stopping their conspiracy to steal my phone when I caught them and called them out wasn't enough? Probably not. There was bad, it was stopped, that's still a good ending. Would I be nervous that whoever was so conspiring wouldn't just stop when asked? Yes, admittedly. But that doesn't mean that harsher punishments actually fix that.