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"...a role in putting a fascist, white supremacist in the White House" It's a petulant and a false statement on so many levels. The president is neither a fasc

"...a role in putting a fascist, white supremacist in the White House" It's a petulant and a false statement on so many levels. The president is neither a fascist nor a racist. And anyone claiming someone is such should be willing to provide a careful definition of these terms along with unambiguous examples of committed actions pursuant to such definitions.

hobs 7y ago
If the part where he said "go back to where you came from" didn't register as racist to you, you should check yourself. Here's a packaged sample of Donald Trump's racism: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r...
- grayed-down 7y ago
  I suppose you and I have very different definitions of racism, but I'm not seeing it in anything you've provided. Countries of origin and religion are not race. And, to me, racism is harmful actions or words motivated by a hatred of or a belief in the superiority over a race by a member of another race.
  - hobs 7y ago
    Here's a direct quote (from my link) - what would you say this indicates besides racism by your definition? “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
    - grayed-down 7y ago
      Looks like hearsay to me, but if he made that remark, it was a stupid thing to say. While there is no wider context, the remark itself still doesn't indicate that he hates black people.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Countries of origin and religion are not race. “Racism” encompasses bigotry by ethnicity (which encompasses national origin), not merely that based on the 3 classical races (Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid.) In fact, “race”, as commonly used, encompasses ethnic identity groups that are not classical races, too. Plus there are plenty of examples of Trump being racist in the narrow classical sense, but if your best defense against the charge of racism is that he’s really just a bigot in a number of dimensions that aren't technically “racial”, well, that says quite a lot on its own.
    - grayed-down 7y ago
      Don't worry, I've seen plenty of bigoted and racially insensitive comments made by Trump's predecessor.

hobs 7y ago

If the part where he said "go back to where you came from" didn't register as racist to you, you should check yourself. Here's a packaged sample of Donald Trump's racism: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r...

grayed-down 7y ago
I suppose you and I have very different definitions of racism, but I'm not seeing it in anything you've provided. Countries of origin and religion are not race. And, to me, racism is harmful actions or words motivated by a hatred of or a belief in the superiority over a race by a member of another race.
- hobs 7y ago
  Here's a direct quote (from my link) - what would you say this indicates besides racism by your definition? “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
  - grayed-down 7y ago
    Looks like hearsay to me, but if he made that remark, it was a stupid thing to say. While there is no wider context, the remark itself still doesn't indicate that he hates black people.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Countries of origin and religion are not race. “Racism” encompasses bigotry by ethnicity (which encompasses national origin), not merely that based on the 3 classical races (Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid.) In fact, “race”, as commonly used, encompasses ethnic identity groups that are not classical races, too. Plus there are plenty of examples of Trump being racist in the narrow classical sense, but if your best defense against the charge of racism is that he’s really just a bigot in a number of dimensions that aren't technically “racial”, well, that says quite a lot on its own.
  - grayed-down 7y ago
    Don't worry, I've seen plenty of bigoted and racially insensitive comments made by Trump's predecessor.