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Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification. Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to

Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification. Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. And if it's wrong enough, it will prompt one to correct it.

estomagordo 7y ago
Are you saying this as a Ph.D. in nonsensical internet debates or as a layman?
- vinceguidry 7y ago
  As someone interested in improving the community by being inclusive.
nabla9 7y ago
> Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. That's something we should be doing more. Even non-expert should read the study and not comment on news articles.
- salawat 7y ago
  This type of elitism has no place in intellectual pursuits. Think about it. If there is no expert in the room, then nothing is lost by openly trying to reason out the truth of the matter and seeing what sticks to the fly paper of reality. This is how new experts form. If there is an expert in the room, they will be more than happy to point out issues, and attempt to offer points to guide the intellectual endeavor within the bounds of their expertise. This is also how new experts take shape. The knowledge wielded by an expert is what makes them an expert. We call it expertise. It is not the fact they are an expert that makes their knowledge expertise. The knowledge needs no particular person to prove itself useful. An appeal to personal credentials as the primary determined as to the veracity of an argument is known as an appeal to authority, which is a very common fallacy.
simonh 7y ago
My point is it's not analysis. It's a completely unsubstantiated assertion of fact based on what's actually a wild guess. The info in the article isn't a study, it barely even summarises a study, and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the commenter hasn't read the actual study. If so saying "this study isn't it" isn't simply an opinion, it's misrepresentation.
- vinceguidry 7y ago
  You're more than entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to tell someone to shut up because of it.
  - iamshs 7y ago
    Let’s not put propaganda and informed opinion on the same pedestal.
  - simonh 7y ago
    I'm not telling anyone to shut up. i'm perfectly willing to read any reasoned counter-point to the article. I'm also completely willing to accept the information in the article, by itself, isn't clear evidence of anything. However it quotes local officials who did do the study and have the detailed analysis saying there's a serious problem that warrants further investigation. They may be right or they may be wrong. Saying on the basis of what's here that the study is definitively bad or good isn't warranted though. That's all I'm saying.
tempguy9999 7y ago
> Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification IAAS (Ignorance As A Service). No thanks.

estomagordo 7y ago

Are you saying this as a Ph.D. in nonsensical internet debates or as a layman?

vinceguidry 7y ago
As someone interested in improving the community by being inclusive.

nabla9 7y ago

> Otherwise we all just sit around waiting for the experts to chime in. That's something we should be doing more. Even non-expert should read the study and not comment on news articles.

salawat 7y ago
This type of elitism has no place in intellectual pursuits. Think about it. If there is no expert in the room, then nothing is lost by openly trying to reason out the truth of the matter and seeing what sticks to the fly paper of reality. This is how new experts form. If there is an expert in the room, they will be more than happy to point out issues, and attempt to offer points to guide the intellectual endeavor within the bounds of their expertise. This is also how new experts take shape. The knowledge wielded by an expert is what makes them an expert. We call it expertise. It is not the fact they are an expert that makes their knowledge expertise. The knowledge needs no particular person to prove itself useful. An appeal to personal credentials as the primary determined as to the veracity of an argument is known as an appeal to authority, which is a very common fallacy.

simonh 7y ago

My point is it's not analysis. It's a completely unsubstantiated assertion of fact based on what's actually a wild guess. The info in the article isn't a study, it barely even summarises a study, and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the commenter hasn't read the actual study. If so saying "this study isn't it" isn't simply an opinion, it's misrepresentation.

vinceguidry 7y ago
You're more than entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to tell someone to shut up because of it.
- iamshs 7y ago
  Let’s not put propaganda and informed opinion on the same pedestal.
- simonh 7y ago
  I'm not telling anyone to shut up. i'm perfectly willing to read any reasoned counter-point to the article. I'm also completely willing to accept the information in the article, by itself, isn't clear evidence of anything. However it quotes local officials who did do the study and have the detailed analysis saying there's a serious problem that warrants further investigation. They may be right or they may be wrong. Saying on the basis of what's here that the study is definitively bad or good isn't warranted though. That's all I'm saying.

tempguy9999 7y ago

> Anybody can and should feel free to offer their analysis regardless of their level of qualification IAAS (Ignorance As A Service). No thanks.