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is there a benefit to using firefox with puppeteer compared to chromium and puppeteer? or is it just a matter of choice and being able to also use firefox for a

is there a benefit to using firefox with puppeteer compared to chromium and puppeteer? or is it just a matter of choice and being able to also use firefox for automated testing?

bjhkx 7y ago
I guess it's a matter of choice for people who still use Firefox.
- brna 7y ago
  *people who still use Chrome.
  - bjhkx 7y ago
    Uh? http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201506-201906 http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/world...
    - trishmapow2 7y ago
      Interesting, I thought Firefox usage would be increasing based on all the hype/people converting on HN/other tech websites but the market share is actually falling. Guess it puts into perspective the size of that cohort compared to the rest of the world.
      - Crinus 7y ago
        After Firefox broke most extensions with their removal of XUL extensions and embrace of "WebExtensions" (aka Chrome extensions), it lost a major differentiation point from Chrome. People simply have no (immediate, practical) reason to use Firefox. Back in the Mozilla days i was using Mozilla because it was very powerful and flexible despite being very slow (i remember watching Mozilla 0.6's dialog boxes draw themselves) and many pages didn't work with it because everyone only cared about IE (...and i'd put the RIIR crowd to shame with my "evangelization" :-P). Nowadays i use Firefox mainly out of inertia. Perhaps if Google disables most of the stuff adblockers rely on, there will be again a reason to use Firefox.
        oliwarner 7y ago
        It also doubled in speed. As a long term FF user (and webdev), I was over the moon to trade in a few extensions for that sort of performance boost. A year or so after the fact, I can't even remember what I've lost. Couldn't have been that important.
        Crinus 7y ago
        It became faster (not sure about double though) but i still remember losing MAFF, DownThemAll and a bunch of other addons. More importantly it is the functionality that was lost for new addons to be made that could provide features not thought by anyone before.
        Zardoz84 7y ago
        Firefox actually is FASTER that Chrome. Also, if you have any privacy concerns, you should stop using Chrome ASAP.
        Crinus 7y ago
        I never used Chrome as a main browser (though i do use it sometimes for its automatic translation). Performance is ok but it isn't my main concern, i'm also concerned about features (after all lynx is faster than both of those browsers, yet it lacks a bit on the features side). In any case, this isn't a hill i care to die on. I just do not see much of a difference between the two browsers anymore in terms of what they can do. I used to like Mozilla for its features (in fact i was really annoyed that they switched their focus to Firefox back in the day and left what they renamed to "Mozilla Suite" to die) and Firefox later for its (remaining) features. Funny enough now that i think about it, the reason was also "performance" back then and again i didn't care about it but i did care about the features lost. I guess they kept on the same path and eventually Firefox will be a chromeless, featureless HTML terminal - not very useful as a browser, but it'll be the fastest HTML terminal :-P.
        bjhkx 7y ago
        Firefox is faster than Chrome with their synthetic benchmarks.
pmontra 7y ago
I run integration tests in Ruby on Rails with Capybara using both the Chrome and Firefox drivers. That project was stopped for a while and when I went back to it the Firefox driver didn't work anymore. I didn't have the time to check what went wrong and fix it but I'm developing with Firefox anyway. I think it's important to test with the major browsers. My customer didn't ask about IE. I remember when I had a few VMs for that and its incompatible version tied to a specific version of Windows.
- fsiefken 7y ago
  Ah yes, browser compatibility! IE will soon be chromium-webkit based.
Diti 7y ago
Deliverables are supposed to be tested on every major browser. I believe the goal is to use both.
- kaycebasques 7y ago
  This is the goal. Disclosure: Chrome DevTools docs guy

is there a benefit to using firefox with puppeteer compared to chromium and puppeteer? or is it just a matter of choice and being able to also use firefox for automated testing?

bjhkx 7y ago

I guess it's a matter of choice for people who still use Firefox.

brna 7y ago
*people who still use Chrome.
- bjhkx 7y ago
  Uh? http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201506-201906 http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/world...
  - trishmapow2 7y ago
    Interesting, I thought Firefox usage would be increasing based on all the hype/people converting on HN/other tech websites but the market share is actually falling. Guess it puts into perspective the size of that cohort compared to the rest of the world.
    - Crinus 7y ago
      After Firefox broke most extensions with their removal of XUL extensions and embrace of "WebExtensions" (aka Chrome extensions), it lost a major differentiation point from Chrome. People simply have no (immediate, practical) reason to use Firefox. Back in the Mozilla days i was using Mozilla because it was very powerful and flexible despite being very slow (i remember watching Mozilla 0.6's dialog boxes draw themselves) and many pages didn't work with it because everyone only cared about IE (...and i'd put the RIIR crowd to shame with my "evangelization" :-P). Nowadays i use Firefox mainly out of inertia. Perhaps if Google disables most of the stuff adblockers rely on, there will be again a reason to use Firefox.
      - oliwarner 7y ago
        It also doubled in speed. As a long term FF user (and webdev), I was over the moon to trade in a few extensions for that sort of performance boost. A year or so after the fact, I can't even remember what I've lost. Couldn't have been that important.
        Crinus 7y ago
        It became faster (not sure about double though) but i still remember losing MAFF, DownThemAll and a bunch of other addons. More importantly it is the functionality that was lost for new addons to be made that could provide features not thought by anyone before.
      - Zardoz84 7y ago
        Firefox actually is FASTER that Chrome. Also, if you have any privacy concerns, you should stop using Chrome ASAP.
        Crinus 7y ago
        I never used Chrome as a main browser (though i do use it sometimes for its automatic translation). Performance is ok but it isn't my main concern, i'm also concerned about features (after all lynx is faster than both of those browsers, yet it lacks a bit on the features side). In any case, this isn't a hill i care to die on. I just do not see much of a difference between the two browsers anymore in terms of what they can do. I used to like Mozilla for its features (in fact i was really annoyed that they switched their focus to Firefox back in the day and left what they renamed to "Mozilla Suite" to die) and Firefox later for its (remaining) features. Funny enough now that i think about it, the reason was also "performance" back then and again i didn't care about it but i did care about the features lost. I guess they kept on the same path and eventually Firefox will be a chromeless, featureless HTML terminal - not very useful as a browser, but it'll be the fastest HTML terminal :-P.
        bjhkx 7y ago
        Firefox is faster than Chrome with their synthetic benchmarks.

pmontra 7y ago

I run integration tests in Ruby on Rails with Capybara using both the Chrome and Firefox drivers. That project was stopped for a while and when I went back to it the Firefox driver didn't work anymore. I didn't have the time to check what went wrong and fix it but I'm developing with Firefox anyway. I think it's important to test with the major browsers. My customer didn't ask about IE. I remember when I had a few VMs for that and its incompatible version tied to a specific version of Windows.

fsiefken 7y ago
Ah yes, browser compatibility! IE will soon be chromium-webkit based.

Diti 7y ago

Deliverables are supposed to be tested on every major browser. I believe the goal is to use both.

kaycebasques 7y ago
This is the goal. Disclosure: Chrome DevTools docs guy