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This happens constantly. Davino Watson was held by ICE for over three years. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-i

This happens constantly. Davino Watson was held by ICE for over three years. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038...

kortilla 7y ago
Planes crash constantly by that argument as well. Anecdotes are not data. If you’re going to make a claim about something “constantly” happening, provide some stats.
- devoply 7y ago
  One is too many. Constantly for something like this, kidnapping a citizen and holding him without charges or due process is pretty much all the time... this is what the troops supposedly die for, freedom.
  - GhostVII 7y ago
    One is too many, but one is also not constantly
    - olliej 7y ago
      See other comments: this happens regularly, and these victims are frequently held for weeks at a time without access to attorneys or being charged. That is a consistent pattern of violating the US constitution - it is not possible to enforce immigration policy in the way some people want to without violating the constitution.
      - GhostVII 7y ago
        I don't disagree, the comment I was responding to originally just said "one is too many". All I was saying is that one is certainly too many, but that doesn't mean you can use an anecdote to indicate that something happens regularly. Others have provided stats which actually do show that this happens regularly, which is great.
      - Nerdfest 7y ago
        It's not possible to enforce immigration policy the way some other people want without violating human rights.
        olliej 7y ago
        Ugh wow my grammar there was an absolute train wreck
- closeparen 7y ago
  >Those data show that from 2007 through July of last year, 693 U.S. citizens were held in local jails on federal detainers — in other words, at the request of immigration officials. And 818 more Americans were held in immigration detention centers during that same time frame, according to data obtained through a separate FOIA request by Northwestern University professor Jacqueline Stevens and analyzed by NPR.
  - kortilla 7y ago
    For how long? That 693 number is going to include people who are caught smuggling/trafficking/etc. However, that number seems low to include that, so what is it a count of? 1500 over 9 years is less than how many people die in airline crashes. Both are terrible and there is no reason not to improve it. But it’s hardly a crisis that requires any kind of drastic overhaul.
- Pinckney 7y ago
  The article I linked reports 1500 citizens were held for some period of time on federal detainers or in immigration detention centers over a 9 year period.
fzeroracer 7y ago
Absolutely, and I'm sure there's more cases we simply don't hear about. The lack of accountability is a huge issue and the fact that you can get swept up into this disaster because you have the wrong name or were at the wrong place should concern people quite a bit.
- yspeak 7y ago
  What lack of accountability ? It was a mistaken identity for which he was awarded $82,000, 000 for denied on appeal only because he missed the statute of limitations. The narrative of a lawless ICE is fictional and being used to promote a borderless agenda.
yspeak 7y ago
Unfortunate but it was a mistaken identity. Plus he was a cocaine dealer so not a sympathetic case

kortilla 7y ago

Planes crash constantly by that argument as well. Anecdotes are not data. If you’re going to make a claim about something “constantly” happening, provide some stats.

devoply 7y ago
One is too many. Constantly for something like this, kidnapping a citizen and holding him without charges or due process is pretty much all the time... this is what the troops supposedly die for, freedom.
- GhostVII 7y ago
  One is too many, but one is also not constantly
  - olliej 7y ago
    See other comments: this happens regularly, and these victims are frequently held for weeks at a time without access to attorneys or being charged. That is a consistent pattern of violating the US constitution - it is not possible to enforce immigration policy in the way some people want to without violating the constitution.
    - GhostVII 7y ago
      I don't disagree, the comment I was responding to originally just said "one is too many". All I was saying is that one is certainly too many, but that doesn't mean you can use an anecdote to indicate that something happens regularly. Others have provided stats which actually do show that this happens regularly, which is great.
    - Nerdfest 7y ago
      It's not possible to enforce immigration policy the way some other people want without violating human rights.
      - olliej 7y ago
        Ugh wow my grammar there was an absolute train wreck
closeparen 7y ago
>Those data show that from 2007 through July of last year, 693 U.S. citizens were held in local jails on federal detainers — in other words, at the request of immigration officials. And 818 more Americans were held in immigration detention centers during that same time frame, according to data obtained through a separate FOIA request by Northwestern University professor Jacqueline Stevens and analyzed by NPR.
- kortilla 7y ago
  For how long? That 693 number is going to include people who are caught smuggling/trafficking/etc. However, that number seems low to include that, so what is it a count of? 1500 over 9 years is less than how many people die in airline crashes. Both are terrible and there is no reason not to improve it. But it’s hardly a crisis that requires any kind of drastic overhaul.
Pinckney 7y ago
The article I linked reports 1500 citizens were held for some period of time on federal detainers or in immigration detention centers over a 9 year period.

fzeroracer 7y ago

Absolutely, and I'm sure there's more cases we simply don't hear about. The lack of accountability is a huge issue and the fact that you can get swept up into this disaster because you have the wrong name or were at the wrong place should concern people quite a bit.

yspeak 7y ago
What lack of accountability ? It was a mistaken identity for which he was awarded $82,000, 000 for denied on appeal only because he missed the statute of limitations. The narrative of a lawless ICE is fictional and being used to promote a borderless agenda.

yspeak 7y ago

Unfortunate but it was a mistaken identity. Plus he was a cocaine dealer so not a sympathetic case